Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-19 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:52 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > > Hey young fella! >>> > >>> > Old people invented "the cloud" many years ago. Do you remember >>> ARPANET? I >>> > do. I used it. I used punch cards for Fortran programs that I fed into >>> a >>> > Burroughs mainframe that was the 3400 block of

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-18 Thread b_s-wilk
> Hey young fella! > > Old people invented "the cloud" many years ago. Do you remember ARPANET? I > do. I used it. I used punch cards for Fortran programs that I fed into a > Burroughs mainframe that was the 3400 block of Market Street in Philly. > You mean good old Unicol. I spent quite a few

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-17 Thread b_s-wilk
> "Cloud" changes its name every few years. The new idea is not "cloud." I have drawing templates from 30 years ago (pre-internet) for drawing clouds. The new idea is storing all your data in the cloud. Previously we lacked enough bandwidth to do such a thing and storage costs were too high. W

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-16 Thread mike
Bandwith is still a huge issue for some of us..a friend a few miles away however will have 60mbit down available early next year. DSL which is still being fed to us from those idiot telcos still sits. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > On Oct 15, 2009, at 8:30 PM, b_s-wilk wr

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-16 Thread Sue Cubic
At 03:14 PM 10/16/2009 -0400, you wrote: I don't recall a Burroughs. My decks fed into an IBM 360/30 at that location c. 1972. You? _THAT'S_ a blast from the past! I remember my husband installing and supporting IBM 360's! In fact, I remember us having to move once to an IBM facility in R

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-16 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:57 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > Hey young fella! > > Old people invented "the cloud" many years ago. Do you remember ARPANET? I > do. I used it. I used punch cards for Fortran programs that I fed into a > Burroughs mainframe that was the 3400 block of Market Street in Philly.

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
On Oct 16, 2009, at 12:57 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > Old people invented "the cloud" many years ago. Do you remember ARPANET? > I do. I used it. I used punch cards for Fortran programs that I fed into a Burroughs > mainframe that was the 3400 block of Market Street in Philly. I don't recall a Burroughs

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
On Oct 15, 2009, at 8:30 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > "Cloud" changes its name every few years. The new idea is not "cloud." I have drawing templates from 30 years ago (pre-internet) for drawing clouds. The new idea is storing all your data in the cloud. Previously we lacked enough bandwidth to do such a

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-16 Thread b_s-wilk
Hey young fella! Old people invented "the cloud" many years ago. Do you remember ARPANET? I do. I used it. I used punch cards for Fortran programs that I fed into a Burroughs mainframe that was the 3400 block of Market Street in Philly. My Mom retired in December at the age of 87 because she

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-15 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall < revsamarsh...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Continue to preach the word Betty some folks might even listen. > > The only good backups are ones where you know that they are and can get at > them when needed. > > Any other type is asking for trouble

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-15 Thread Fred Holmes
At 09:06 PM 10/15/2009, chad evans wyatt wrote: >I agree with the Rev that Betty has it right, at least for my needs. Here is >an exhaustive article that might be of some interest >http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/magazine/14search-t.html?scp=1&sq=magazine%20infrastructure%20issue&st=cse Excell

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-15 Thread chad evans wyatt
l wrote: From: Rev. Stewart Marshall Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please... To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 8:40 PM Continue to preach the word Betty some folks might even listen. The only good backups are ones where you know that they are and can get

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-15 Thread mike
The smart way to go for sure. On Oct 15, 2009 5:57 PM, "Fred Holmes" wrote: At 07:45 PM 10/15/2009, Robert Carroll wrote: >When you're old (best outcome that you can ever hope ... I don't listen to young folk. I do as I please. Fred Holmes *

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-15 Thread Fred Holmes
At 07:45 PM 10/15/2009, Robert Carroll wrote: >When you're old (best outcome that you can ever hope for), do you want some >young stranger telling you that information should be withheld from you >because you're too old to think straight? I don't listen to young folk. I do as I please. Fred Ho

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-15 Thread Fred Holmes
At 07:14 PM 10/15/2009, mike wrote: >I really wouldn't start telling these old folks about the cloud... Hey, I resemble that remark! Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** *

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Continue to preach the word Betty some folks might even listen. The only good backups are ones where you know that they are and can get at them when needed. Any other type is asking for trouble. Stewart At 07:30 PM 10/15/2009, you wrote: Heh heh, FOGGY, heh heh, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Hah! The clo

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-15 Thread b_s-wilk
At 05:25 PM 10/15/2009, Sue Cubic wrote: >I want to know---what is "the cloud"? It is wherever your data is when it isn't on your own equipment and you haven't the foggiest idea where it really is. Heh heh, FOGGY, heh heh, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Hah! The cloud! Foggy! "Cloud" changes its name eve

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-15 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: > At 05:25 PM 10/15/2009, Sue Cubic wrote: > >I want to know---what is "the cloud"? > > It is wherever your data is when it isn't on your own equipment and you > haven't the foggiest idea where it really is. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clou

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-15 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Sue Cubic wrote: > I want to know---what is "the cloud"? > > Does it refer to storage sites on some server somewhere? > > Or something more esoteric than that? > > Am I using it and don't know?  The best thing I've found in a long time is > X-Marks, considering I'

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-15 Thread Robert Carroll
mike wrote: I really wouldn't start telling these old folks about the cloud... On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: At 05:25 PM 10/15/2009, Sue Cubic wrote: I want to know---what is "the cloud"? Why not? Old folks are simply old, not stupid. Some are stupid -

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-15 Thread mike
I really wouldn't start telling these old folks about the cloud... On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: > At 05:25 PM 10/15/2009, Sue Cubic wrote: > >I want to know---what is "the cloud"? > > It is wherever your data is when it isn't on your own equipment and you > haven't the fog

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-15 Thread Fred Holmes
At 05:25 PM 10/15/2009, Sue Cubic wrote: >I want to know---what is "the cloud"? It is wherever your data is when it isn't on your own equipment and you haven't the foggiest idea where it really is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing And after you have read the above, you will realize

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-15 Thread Judy Cosler
so glad you asked that Q! On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Sue Cubic wrote: > I want to know---what is "the cloud"? > > Does it refer to storage sites on some server somewhere? > > Or something more esoteric than that? > > Am I using it and don't know? The best thing I've found in a long time i

[CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-15 Thread Sue Cubic
I want to know---what is "the cloud"? Does it refer to storage sites on some server somewhere? Or something more esoteric than that? Am I using it and don't know? The best thing I've found in a long time is X-Marks, considering I'm often using public computers. Is my Earthlink webmail in "t