Re: [CGUYS] RAID Risks Rising

2008-10-25 Thread Tom Piwowar
Not really cause it won't make any difference in your opinion of RAID. Z for Zealot! You probably think I pal around with terrorists too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** **

Re: [CGUYS] RAID Risks Rising

2008-10-25 Thread Tom Piwowar
Never said RAID was best, just that it has it's place. Tom's argument previously was that because of HD's high MTBF RAID was useless, this new article that came up said RAID was useless because of low MTBF. I think you should reread the 2009 article more carefully. That article was not about

Re: [CGUYS] RAID Risks Rising

2008-10-25 Thread mike
Single drives still aren't fast enough for enterprise work. We've been over this...the horse is dead, buried, he's been exhumed and is now being beaten again within an inch of his death. RAID with backup on/offsite is still cheaper then putting together a cluster for some mid range customers.

Re: [CGUYS] RAID Risks Rising

2008-10-25 Thread Tom Piwowar
This from my RAID 0 fully backed up pc. Ever see Stoppard's Rosencrantz and Guildenstern? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at

Re: [CGUYS] RAID Risks Rising

2008-10-25 Thread Jeff Wright
I can recall Robert Metcalfe, the co-inventor of Ethernet and founder of 3Com, writing in 1996 or so about the coming Internet crash. He called it a gigalapse. He publicly and very enthusiastically predicted that very soon the Internet would not be able to handle the data load and would fail. I

Re: [CGUYS] RAID Risks Rising

2008-10-24 Thread John DeCarlo
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Larry Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've done that with computers. But with a car? Wow... you must really be one of the Glitterati to be able to send a car back because you made a mistake... Haven't you heard of a lemon law? Many jurisdictions implemented

Re: [CGUYS] RAID Risks Rising

2008-10-24 Thread mike
Well Tom's implication is that if the car got a scratch it'd be all over...new car time! On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:45 PM, John DeCarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Larry Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've done that with computers. But with a car? Wow... you

Re: [CGUYS] RAID Risks Rising

2008-10-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
Well Tom's implication is that if the car got a scratch it'd be all over...new car time! You want to provide the quote and explain your tortuous logic to get from there to here. * ** List info, subscription management,

Re: [CGUYS] RAID Risks Rising

2008-10-24 Thread mike
Not really cause it won't make any difference in your opinion of RAID. Z for Zealot! On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Tom's implication is that if the car got a scratch it'd be all over...new car time! You want to provide the quote and explain your

Re: [CGUYS] RAID Risks Rising

2008-10-24 Thread John DeCarlo
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:37 PM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not really cause it won't make any difference in your opinion of RAID. Z Well, the more evidence people post on here that RAID is less and less useful, riskier and riskier, the more you hew to your RAID is best approach. Perhaps

Re: [CGUYS] RAID Risks Rising

2008-10-24 Thread mike
Never said RAID was best, just that it has it's place. Tom's argument previously was that because of HD's high MTBF RAID was useless, this new article that came up said RAID was useless because of low MTBF. He seemed to agree with both sides because of his conclusion that IT companies use it to

Re: [CGUYS] RAID Risks Rising

2008-10-23 Thread Larry Sacks
So the first time your new car breaks down, you buy a new one? Depends on why it failed. If I look at it and realize that I made a very bad mistake then I would send it back. I have done that with PCs on more than one occasion. I've done that with computers. But with a car? Wow... you must

Re: [CGUYS] RAID Risks Rising

2008-10-23 Thread mike
Yeah especially when it's just say a scratch on the paint or maybe a dent in a fender. Those mac glitterati can really throw money around I guess. On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Larry Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the first time your new car breaks down, you buy a new one? Depends on

Re: [CGUYS] RAID Risks Rising

2008-10-22 Thread mike
So the first time your new car breaks down, you buy a new one? What about when you just change the oil? Or do you buy a new car then too? You must buy a LOT of computers, even macs if you toss them if they get a kernel panic. Interestingly the article actual reaches the same conclusion as you,

Re: [CGUYS] RAID Risks Rising

2008-10-22 Thread mike
We missed it like global freezing, and that other catastrophe the inventor of the internet keeps droning about. Funny how all these RAID setups just keep humming along in face of the 'facts'. On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can recall Robert Metcalfe,

Re: [CGUYS] RAID Risks Rising

2008-10-22 Thread Tom Piwowar
So the first time your new car breaks down, you buy a new one? Depends on why it failed. If I look at it and realize that I made a very bad mistake then I would send it back. I have done that with PCs on more than one occasion.