Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-03 Thread Chris Dunford
To bring it back on topic, Natal looks like it could have quite a bit of latency I'm not sure about that. I noticed a bit of latency in a few places, but not everywhere. As I recall, the live demo at E3 in which the girl was batting at balls with her hands and feet looked very responsive, but

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-03 Thread Chris Dunford
Wii obviously has M$ terrified. Nintendo is making big bucks while M$ is investing big bucks, but losing money on the deal. The question is whether the computer was responding to the movements of the people or whether some well-rehearsed people were following along with a pre-recorded

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-03 Thread mike
Aisha Tyler twittered that Natal was really cool after spending time using it at E3. I know anyone who disagrees with Tom's World™ is an MS stooge but I think the rest of us can agree Tyler isn't much of a stooge. On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:35 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: The question is

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-03 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I have no idea who she is or how the program works. But I did see it is not one released yet. EA Sports Active is a game that is presently in production and on the shelf's. I am neither an MFB or WFB, I just happen to know that MS very often has vapor ware for software and do not want to

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-03 Thread Chris Dunford
I am neither an MFB or WFB, I just happen to know that MS very often has vapor ware for software and do not want to put my hopes in something until it is real life. They don't release development kits for vaporware--but they have for Natal. I'm the last one to argue that MS hasn't shown

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-03 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Understood but it is still in development. What I was talking about on the Wii is in PRODUCTION! Stewart At 12:20 PM 6/3/2009, you wrote: I am neither an MFB or WFB, I just happen to know that MS very often has vapor ware for software and do not want to put my hopes in something until it

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-03 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
What part of development do you not understand. No game is on the shelf for sale featuring this technology. NONE! The stuff I have been talking about is all in production and is on the shelves or will be within the week. (Tiger Woods 10) I do not doubt it has been sent out to developers,

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-03 Thread mike
No, he said they sent out developers units so game companies can code for it. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Understood but it is still in development. What I was talking about on the Wii is in PRODUCTION! Stewart At 12:20 PM

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-03 Thread mike
You are starting to sound like Tom, I usually don't expect insults from you. Calm down Rev.. You said you had seen much that was vaporware, my point was that it was already in production, already in the pipeline. It's not been released yet, but it will be. It's not a development tool, the

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-03 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Understood but this started off by making claims for the Xbox that have since been shown to be in development. Each game platform seems to have it's endorsers and its detractors. The Wii started off as the first (or let's say the most recent) interactive game console. it continues to develop

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-03 Thread mike
Well...it's kinda hard for you to start dictating the terms of the thread, especially when Chris started it and in the first email it was clear he was talking about something not yet on the shelf. I personally would not compare the Wii and the Xbox, I've said before that I don't believe the two

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-03 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I did not see that in his note sorry. He seemed to be putting down the Wii which has developed a pretty good set of games to the Xbox which still has one in development. Sometimes it is fun sometimes it is frustrating. The way that Cell phone companies play games I get very frustrated. If

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-03 Thread t.piwowar
On Jun 3, 2009, at 4:56 PM, mike wrote: Well...it's kinda hard for you to start dictating the terms of the thread, especially when Chris started it and in the first email it was clear he was talking about something not yet on the shelf. WARNING: This thread is restricted to fawning praise

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-03 Thread mike
Very Very. I think the collective cell phone company motto is, we aren't happy unless you aren't happy. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I did not see that in his note sorry. He seemed to be putting down the Wii which has developed a

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-03 Thread Chris Dunford
Understood but this started off by making claims for the Xbox that have since been shown to be in development. Rev, with all due respect. I linked to a demo at E3, where it was pretty clear that this wasn't something you could buy today. I also referred to it as Project Natal, which is not a

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-03 Thread Chris Dunford
WARNING: This thread is restricted to fawning praise of Microsoft's demo of a technology that does not yet exist. Any doubt or suggestion that it is not Double Plus Good is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. You have been warned. Stop being a jerk.

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-03 Thread b_s-wilk
I've been looking at the Nokia N79 to replace my mobile phone and camera. It has WiFi and GSM; the WiFi lets me use Skype, GSM for my T-Mobile account. Found it at Dell, of all places. I'll get a DuoSIM to hold two SIM cards. There are some combo smart phones that have GSM and CDMA, probably

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-03 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
You got it. Especially when I am out clubbing. :-) Stewart At 09:35 PM 6/3/2009, you wrote: I've been looking at the Nokia N79 to replace my mobile phone and camera. It has WiFi and GSM; the WiFi lets me use Skype, GSM for my T-Mobile account. Found it at Dell, of all places. I'll get a

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-02 Thread Tony B
I don't recall anyone saying Wii was better than Xbox? Cheaper than the clearly superior PS3. And most gaming is still vastly superior on a PC than all three. But I dunno, given the internet and enough time it's possible you found some rabid Wii fan site where they think Wii is superior to

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-02 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
A Wii is not made to be a gaming machine like a PS3. The Wii is aimed more at families and at those who may no longer have children around the house, while a PS3 is aimed at Gamers. My 70 some in-laws bought a Wii and they do not play Tom Clancy or anything like that. It is more a part of

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-02 Thread Chris Dunford
My 70 some in-laws bought a Wii and they do not play Tom Clancy or anything like that. It is more a part of their fitness regime. Nintendo found a niche and developed a product for it. Smart marketing move. Rev, if you look at the Natal video, you'll find that it's even better exercise

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-02 Thread Chris Dunford
I don't recall anyone saying Wii was better than Xbox? Yes, Tom was pretty emphatic about that. It didn't make much sense then, and it makes no sense at all now. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules,

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-02 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Understood, but the Wii has come out with a new one (Actually EA Sports) that does that also. Stewart At 10:29 AM 6/2/2009, you wrote: My 70 some in-laws bought a Wii and they do not play Tom Clancy or anything like that. It is more a part of their fitness regime. Nintendo found a niche

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-02 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
It is called EA Sports Active. Resembles (in my mind) Tai Bo a little. Lots of work and kinking and action. Includes another attachment to monitor what you do. Supposed to be pretty good. Check out EA's site. What we have to realize is that the companies (Sony, Nintendo, MS etc.) just

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-02 Thread mike
I think the Wii one can only assume you are 'running' because of your movement on the footpad. The natal appears to be the Wii for full body, not just hands and feet. It's a full body motion sensing system. On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-02 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
No the one from EA Sports you ruin in place. (No footpad) it has a sensor that attaches to your thigh along with the other two sensors that tracks full body movement. You have to remember this does not use the Balance Board from Wii Fitness. It is a totally separate game. Here is a web

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-02 Thread b_s-wilk
I don't recall anyone saying Wii was better than Xbox? Cheaper than the clearly superior PS3. And most gaming is still vastly superior on a PC than all three. But I dunno, given the internet and enough time it's possible you found some rabid Wii fan site where they think Wii is superior to

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-02 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
That is what I said when Is aid good marketing. They decided to go a different route in their design and implementation. Some of the new games and additions to controllers for Wii are making this just better (new motion sensor and the EA Sports additions) Stewart At 01:08 PM 6/2/2009, you

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-02 Thread Chris Dunford
No the one from EA Sports you ruin in place. (No footpad) it has a sensor that attaches to your thigh along with the other two sensors that tracks full body movement. You have to remember this does not use the Balance Board from Wii Fitness. It is a totally separate game. Here is a web

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-02 Thread t.piwowar
On Jun 2, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: Those who were going on about Wii being better than Xbox should look at the video of the MS's E3 press conference yesterday: Wii obviously has M$ terrified. Nintendo is making big bucks while M$ is investing big bucks, but losing money on

Re: [CGUYS] Xbox Natal

2009-06-02 Thread David K Watson
The running game on the Wii Fit doesn't use the balance board either. It uses the motion sensor in the remote. You put the remote in a waist pocket for this. On a related note, Nintendo has announced the Wii Fit Plus at E3. It has new games (one lets you pretend to be Mario) and it also has a