Re: CMSP 09. Clarify intent of 'recommends' and add 'suggests'

2009-10-31 Thread Barbie
On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 05:28:23PM -0400, David Golden wrote: > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:19 PM, David E. Wheeler wrote: > > On Oct 9, 2009, at 4:46 AM, David Golden wrote: > > > >> * 'recommends' or 'suggests' they both imply (to me) they list optional > >>  dependencies. Perhaps we could have bot

Re: CMSP 09. Clarify intent of 'recommends' and add 'suggests'

2009-10-13 Thread Damyan Ivanov
-=| Graham Barr, Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 08:43:42AM -0500 |=- > On Oct 9, 2009, at 6:46 AM, David Golden wrote: > >09. Clarify intent of 'recommends' and add 'suggests' > > > >Proposal: > > > >The 'recommends' flag is not equivalent to Debian recommends. The > >intent > >should be made clear for auth

Re: CMSP 09. Clarify intent of 'recommends' and add 'suggests'

2009-10-13 Thread Damyan Ivanov
-=| David Golden, Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 05:28:23PM -0400 |=- > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:19 PM, David E. Wheeler wrote: > > On Oct 9, 2009, at 4:46 AM, David Golden wrote: > > > >> * 'recommends' or 'suggests' they both imply (to me) they list optional > >>  dependencies. Perhaps we could have both,

Re: CMSP 09. Clarify intent of 'recommends' and add 'suggests'

2009-10-10 Thread David Golden
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Zefram wrote: > David Golden wrote: >>The 'recommends' flag is not equivalent to Debian recommends.  The intent >>should be made clear for authors and the toolchain.  If the Debian >>definitions are adopted to better match usage by packagers, a 'suggests' >>field s

Re: CMSP 09. Clarify intent of 'recommends' and add 'suggests'

2009-10-10 Thread Zefram
David Golden wrote: >The 'recommends' flag is not equivalent to Debian recommends. The intent >should be made clear for authors and the toolchain. If the Debian >definitions are adopted to better match usage by packagers, a 'suggests' >field should be added as well. (Adam Kennedy) There's too li

Re: CMSP 09. Clarify intent of 'recommends' and add 'suggests'

2009-10-09 Thread David E. Wheeler
On Oct 9, 2009, at 2:28 PM, David Golden wrote: -1 I'd always have to try to remember which is which, because they are so similarly named. The names really should be very different. Perhaps "recommends" as currently implemented, and "prefers" for stuff that's not required but you'd rather ha

Re: CMSP 09. Clarify intent of 'recommends' and add 'suggests'

2009-10-09 Thread David Golden
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:19 PM, David E. Wheeler wrote: > On Oct 9, 2009, at 4:46 AM, David Golden wrote: > >> * 'recommends' or 'suggests' they both imply (to me) they list optional >>  dependencies. Perhaps we could have both, where 'suggests' implies the >>  toolchain should ask whether the use

Re: CMSP 09. Clarify intent of 'recommends' and add 'suggests'

2009-10-09 Thread David E. Wheeler
On Oct 9, 2009, at 4:46 AM, David Golden wrote: * 'recommends' or 'suggests' they both imply (to me) they list optional dependencies. Perhaps we could have both, where 'suggests' implies the toolchain should ask whether the user wishes to install listed dependencies, and 'recommends' simp

Re: CMSP 09. Clarify intent of 'recommends' and add 'suggests'

2009-10-09 Thread Hans Dieter Pearcey
Excerpts from Graham Barr's message of Fri Oct 09 09:43:42 -0400 2009: > one option could be though that the failure for a recommended dependency to > install could still allow the dependent to install On one hand, maybe this would be useful for things that e.g. offer a mod_perl interface, and wo

Re: CMSP 09. Clarify intent of 'recommends' and add 'suggests'

2009-10-09 Thread Graham Barr
On Oct 9, 2009, at 6:46 AM, David Golden wrote: 09. Clarify intent of 'recommends' and add 'suggests' Proposal: The 'recommends' flag is not equivalent to Debian recommends. The intent should be made clear for authors and the toolchain. If the Debian definitions are adopted to better match

CMSP 09. Clarify intent of 'recommends' and add 'suggests'

2009-10-09 Thread David Golden
09. Clarify intent of 'recommends' and add 'suggests' Proposal: The 'recommends' flag is not equivalent to Debian recommends. The intent should be made clear for authors and the toolchain. If the Debian definitions are adopted to better match usage by packagers, a 'suggests' field should be add