[Crm-sig] HW for 516

2021-10-11 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, In some SIG, I was charged with finding out how to give the citation for the examples given in E10 from the Getty Provenance Index. This is the preferred Citation style: Getty Provenance Index®, https://piprod.getty.edu/starweb/pi/servlet.starweb?path=pi/pi.web, accessed -MM-DD. B

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

2021-10-11 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, In preparation for the discussion of non-human actors as related to use cases arising in Linked.Art (inter alia), Rob and I have sketched some ideas back and forth to try to find a monotonic was to add the agency of animals in the first instance into CRM (proceeding in an empirical botto

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

2021-10-11 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Dear George, Robert, This makes generally sense to me as a discussion starting point. However, I‘d like to remind you that our methodology requires first a community practice of doing documentation about such things, and second domain experts for concepts that are not our primary knowledge.

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

2021-10-11 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
...I'd like to add that behavioral studies with birds and mammals may be a reasonable scope, but, experts need to speak I think! Best, Martin On 10/11/2021 6:50 PM, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig wrote: Dear George, Robert, This makes generally sense to me as a discussion starting point. However,

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

2021-10-11 Thread Robert Sanderson via Crm-sig
Could we clarify what sort of expert we're looking for to move the discussion forward? In particular, natural history museums seem to be at the critical intersection between CIDOC and the activities of animals. I can represent the sorts of documentary evidence from that side, and happy to reach out

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

2021-10-11 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Dear Robert, Having collaborated with natural history museum colleagues for some years and designed a research infrastructure for biodiversity in Greece, I understand that they normally do not describe the actions of an individual in a way that information integration on the base of the indiv

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

2021-10-11 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Hi Martin, I think Rob listed in the introduction to the issue the use cases of documentation of individual action of animals. It would seem that natural scientists don't only study species but also individuals. Here's a smattering of pieces culled from casual reading in the past few weeks with

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

2021-10-11 Thread Pat Riva via Crm-sig
Just to remark that the library world discussed non-human actors for many years (in the literal sense of actor as in the dogs that portrayed Lassie in the TV series, or that portrayed Sykes and Paddy from Midsomer Murders, somehow it is always cute dogs that are brought up in the discussion). T

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

2021-10-11 Thread Robert Sanderson via Crm-sig
Hi Pat, While that is certainly true from a model-theoretic perspective, in practice authorities simply create Persons for them which is, in my opinion, even worse because there is a demonstrated need which the modeling is intentionally preventing. For example in the Library of Congress: Real ani

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

2021-10-11 Thread Pat Riva via Crm-sig
Hi Rob, Looking at the dates on Lassie and Misha, I see that they were created during the phase when people were trying this under an unwise modification to RDA, and not been revised since. This would no longer be valid under the latest RDA. And no one has bothered to propose MARC coding specifi