Re: [Crm-sig] CALL FOR E-VOTE ISSUE 581

2022-03-01 Thread Francesco Beretta via Crm-sig
Dear Athina, Thank you for taking of your time and for making explicit the reasons of your modelling choices and methodology. As University trained historians, we know that the model of the information produced by a project generally depends on the research agenda and the available sources.

Re: [Crm-sig] CALL FOR E-VOTE ISSUE 581

2022-03-01 Thread athinak via Crm-sig
Dear Francesco, First of all, your comments are all welcome, I think there has been a long discussion on observations and observable entities in context of CIDOC CRM, so I will not focus in that - I am not sure if this discussion is about which methodology is most appropriate: bottom up or to

Re: [Crm-sig] CALL FOR E-VOTE ISSUE 581

2022-03-01 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Dear Francesco, May I object. I maintain that ownership is not observable. All examples you provided are about memories or documents of acquisition, or about those who claim to know those (who know/have known those) who know. The events of acquisition, in whatever form, are the only one that a

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 504

2022-03-01 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Please let me further add, that custody in the sense of the CRM is observable. Any legal transition from custody to ownership will again be based on observable proof of custody. Please also respect that the Sealit model has passed practice test with a huge amount of data under the scrutiny of

Re: [Crm-sig] CALL FOR E-VOTE ISSUE 581

2022-03-01 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, Social symbolic events such as acquisitions (not done by force) are also strictly not observable since you can only know that they occur if you share the same social symbolic set and 'conclude' or 'infer' that something has taken place. There is no atomic level at which we see these thin

Re: [Crm-sig] CALL FOR E-VOTE ISSUE 581

2022-03-01 Thread Martin Doerr via Crm-sig
Hi George, May be you live in a different world, or make things artificially complex for the sake of providing absolute answers, which do not exist. The CRM method requires research questions. My implicit research question is simple: How do I prove that I am married? Please don't tell me by

Re: [Crm-sig] CALL FOR E-VOTE ISSUE 581

2022-03-01 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear Martin, > May be you live in a different world, or make things artificially complex > for the sake of providing absolute answers, which do not exist. > Interesting claim. > > > The CRM method requires research questions. > > My implicit research question is simple: How do I prove that I a