Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin Walls

1998-12-07 Thread John Gilmore
The US Wassenaar initiative is an attempt to deny the public not only all future strong crypto developments, but all existing ones. As today's message from Denmark makes clear, the freedom-hating bureaucrats are threatening to prosecute a citizen merely for publishing PGP on his web page. Let's

Wassenaar and the dumming of New Zealand

1998-12-07 Thread Robert Hettinga
--- begin forwarded text From: "Blair Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Robert Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 98 10:13:56 +1300 Reply-To: "Blair Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Wassenaar and the dumming of New Zealand See Peter Gutme

Re: Wassenaar vs. CipherSaber

1998-12-07 Thread Jay Sulzberger
On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Jay Sulzberger wrote: > > I think that the most important thing here is just a very simple as nearly > bombproof as we know how to build encryption/decryption program whose file > formats I can understand after reading one page, and whose algorithms I > can code correctly i

DCS-NY: Dec. 15 Meeting: Win Treese of Open Market

1998-12-07 Thread Perry E. Metzger
[If you know of people who may be interested in this meeting, please feel free to forward this message to them. Please note that the deadline for payments is only a few days off.] The next luncheon meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of New York (DCS-NY), will be held on Tuesday, December 15

Re: Wassenaar vs. CipherSaber

1998-12-07 Thread Jay Sulzberger
I think that the most important thing here is just a very simple as nearly bombproof as we know how to build encryption/decryption program whose file formats I can understand after reading one page, and whose algorithms I can code correctly in my favorite language in under a week's work. The mos

two more cents

1998-12-07 Thread Michael Motyka
Carl Ellison wrote: > There is so little awareness on the public's part today about crypto > that I would be surprised if a mass movement of the people speaking > to Congress would come out at all in our favor. > There is not enough money or air-time available now to make the public more sympathe

Re: Wassenaar vs. CipherSaber

1998-12-07 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 6:09 PM -0500 12/4/98, Steve Bellovin commented on the CipherSaber web site http://ciphersaber.gurus.com: > >I'm glad the site is up, but for many purposes it solves the wrong problem. >Encryption algorithms are easy to write, or even to type in or scan from >printed programs. But what's inter

Re: Commerce Hacked?

1998-12-07 Thread Robert Hettinga
--- begin forwarded text Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:14:13 -0500 (EST) From: Somebody To: Robert Hettinga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Commerce Hacked? Mime-Version: 1.0 Looks like he [Aaron] has been successful. No one is talking about the extortive quality of sending out the commerce mini

Wassenaar News

1998-12-07 Thread John Young
We spoke with Igor at the WA today to ask about the implementation report Caspar Bowden said on UK Crypto would be coming shortly. It seems that Dirk Weicke, the person preparing it (whom Caspar queried), is out sick and won't return to work until Thursday. Another person working on the report,

AU Wassenaar

1998-12-07 Thread John Young
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:58:49 +1000 Subject: Wassenaar changes [OK to repost to crypto lists and Cryptome - dant] I spoke this afternoon with one of the Australian delegates at the Wassenaar meeting, an offi

Re: What was the quid pro quo for Wassenaar countries?

1998-12-07 Thread Peter Gutmann
One thing which came to me recently when I was trying to figure out what sort of gun the US held to the rest of the world's head to get them to agree to this: Could the Wassenaar outcome have been a sign of Echelon in action? Consider this: Delegates from each country have been travelling to V

RE: What was the quid pro quo for Wassenaar countries?

1998-12-07 Thread Jyri Kaljundi
I wonder what effect the Wassenaar politics have to non-member countries of that agreement and how much those other countries support these US crypto regulations? As I understand Wassenaar is mostly meant for export of dual-use goods, not so much internal use although that is somewhat regulated a

e$: Cryptography -- The Steel Rails of Digital Commerce

1998-12-07 Thread Robert Hettinga
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Lots of sensible people on cypherpunks have made an excellent point before, but Nelson Minar has said it quite succinctly in the message below, with an outstanding example from Sun, in the post that I'm including here from Perry Metzger's cryptography list. Th

Re: What was the quid pro quo for Wassenaar countries?

1998-12-07 Thread Tom Weinstein
John Gilmore wrote: > PS: I particularly like Ambassador Aaron's characterization that > this new development will help US industry, by censoring foreign crypto > publishers in the same way the US government censors US publishers. > A giant step forward for freedom and commerce everywhere, eh Mr