RE: [css-d] Hacks, to use them, or not

2005-08-23 Thread Arno @ Raketnet
I would try to make your design as hack-free as possible, as suggested already by many. Since (most) browsers are developing all the time, you run the risk that a hack maybe solved in a future version of a browser. Using a hack to abuse the behaviour of a browser is almost-guaranteed a temporary so

Re: [css-d] Validation Error -moz-outline

2005-08-23 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 24 Aug 2005, at 11:40 am, Peter Williams wrote: I keep getting a parse error on -moz-outline: none; when validating #footer img { vertical-align: middle; outline: none; -moz-outline: none;} Tracy, moz-outline would seem to be a proprietory css extension, the w3c css validator is going to

RE: [css-d] Validation Error -moz-outline

2005-08-23 Thread Peter Williams
> From: Tracy Shorrock > > I keep getting a parse error on -moz-outline: none; when > validating > #footer img { vertical-align: middle; outline: none; -moz-outline: > none;} Tracy, moz-outline would seem to be a proprietory css extension, the w3c css validator is going to flag anything that i

Re: [css-d] Validation Error -moz-outline

2005-08-23 Thread Roger Roelofs
Tracy, On Aug 23, 2005, at 9:46 PM, Tracy Shorrock wrote: Hi, I keep getting a parse error on -moz-outline: none; when validating the following css: #footer img { vertical-align: middle; outline: none; -moz-outline: none;} Is there anyway to get around this? (apart from taking it out!)

Re: [css-d] Validation Error -moz-outline

2005-08-23 Thread Evert | Collab
I don't think so :-( It's weird though, because I think the specifications says that vendors can add their own property's in the -vendorname-property format. Evert Tracy Shorrock wrote: Hi, I keep getting a parse error on -moz-outline: none; when validating the following css: #footer im

[css-d] Validation Error -moz-outline

2005-08-23 Thread Tracy Shorrock
Hi, I keep getting a parse error on -moz-outline: none; when validating the following css: #footer img { vertical-align: middle; outline: none; -moz-outline: none;} Is there anyway to get around this? (apart from taking it out!) Cheers, Tracy __

RE: [css-d] CSS help

2005-08-23 Thread Peter Williams
> From: Angus > > 1. Center the text "You are located in" > 2. Get my USA flag to appear above the France flag with no > text on the left margin and the text "USA" centered on the right > 3. The text centered below the eye pictures. > HTML: http://choroideremia.org/index.php > CSS: http://choroid

Re: [css-d] Hacks, to use them, or not

2005-08-23 Thread 4css!!!!
Hi Adam, thanks for the links, I will flag this email and make use of it. I have seen the links on the Wiki, and wished to know of more if they are out there, good ones that is. >snip< > Not to pick on Al at all. It's just that this topic has been known to > reach Holy War status. I'd rather

Re: [css-d] Hacks, to use them, or not

2005-08-23 Thread 4css!!!!
Thanks Al and Haoshiro. I really appreciate your replies. I have come across the conditional statments, and did use them in the beginign of my playing with css. I have just recently purchased Lowery's book, CSS Hacks and Filters, and didn't really realize how many of them are out there! 4~CSS!

RE: [css-d] Hacks, to use them, or not

2005-08-23 Thread Adam Kuehn
Al Lemieux wrote: I'm in total agreement with Haoshiro. Hacks are just that - hacks. Its like using a screwdriver to hammer in a nail. A lot of them didn't work for me either. May I suggest that this topic is covered sufficiently on the Wiki? Please see these pages:

Re: [css-d] Hacks, to use them, or not

2005-08-23 Thread Brian Cummiskey
Al Lemieux wrote: Deb, I'm in total agreement with Haoshiro. Hacks are just that - hacks. Its like using a screwdriver to hammer in a nail. A lot of them didn't work for me either. to the OP, most hacks are documented in the wiki- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssHack whether you use

[css-d] CSS help

2005-08-23 Thread Angus at InfoForce Services
I am trying to use my CSS file to do the following. 1. Center the text "You are located in", 2. Get my USA flag to appear above the France flag with no text on the left margin and the text "USA" centered on the right, and 3. The text centered below the eye pictures. Thank you for the help. HT

[css-d] CSS help

2005-08-23 Thread Angus at InfoForce Services
I am trying to use my CSS file to do the following. 1. Center the text "You are located in", 2. Get my USA flag to appear above the France flag with no text on the left margin and the text "USA" centered on the right, and 3. The text centered below the eye pictures. Thank you for the help. Ang

RE: [css-d] Hacks, to use them, or not

2005-08-23 Thread Al Lemieux
Deb, I'm in total agreement with Haoshiro. Hacks are just that - hacks. Its like using a screwdriver to hammer in a nail. A lot of them didn't work for me either. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Haoshiro Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:05

Re: [css-d] Hacks, to use them, or not

2005-08-23 Thread Haoshiro
Deb, Personally I would recommend *against* using hacks at all. Conditional Comments and behaviors should be able to get you past the really problematic IE issues. In my experience many of the "compatibility issues" across browsers is caused by the lack of complete CSS standards support in

[css-d] Hacks, to use them, or not

2005-08-23 Thread 4css!!!!
Ok, this is my next question in my learning quest. To use hacks or not to use hacks. There are so many of them out there that it is a bit confusing. And with so many to learn it gets a bit frustrating. How do you remember all of them? do you keep a cheat sheet near you? My mind is sort of bogg

Re: [css-d] 3-column layout help

2005-08-23 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Jim Mock wrote: > Hi Thierry, > >>> There's got to be a way to do this, but I'm just not seeing it. >>> What am I missing? Hi Jim, I believe you can easily tweak my solution [1] to get what you're looking for. CSS: 1. You change the float value for #left from "left" to "right" *and* you remove th

Re: [css-d] to container/wrapper or not to container/wrapper

2005-08-23 Thread matthijs abeelen
Hi Ingo, Thanks a lot for looking into this issue further. > I don't secure the doctrine that an additional wrapper div would be bad > practice, a strong sign of divitis, or whatever. You are absolutely right, and I agree with you in this matter: there's nothing wrong with one wrapper div in the

Re: [css-d] CSS Height Question

2005-08-23 Thread Yazmin Media
On 8/23/05, Pieter Van Waeyenberge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I skimmed thru very quickly so i hope this is relevant: > > try adding > > Doesn't work. Thanks though! -- Yazmin Wickham Contractor - Internet Development http://www.yazmin.net ___

Re: [css-d] 3-column layout help

2005-08-23 Thread Jim Mock
On Aug 22, 2005, at 4:24 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: Hi Thierry, There's got to be a way to do this, but I'm just not seeing it. What am I missing? Did you check this page? http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=ThreeColumnLayouts Yeah, I looked before mailing the list and none of the examp

Re: [css-d] CSS Height Question

2005-08-23 Thread Adam Kuehn
Yazmin Media wrote: When I remove the height on .container, the background then extends as needed on the News page, but on other pages where the content is short than the viewport, .container no longer extends to the bottom of the screen. Have you tried playin

[css-d] IE "fixed" works, but...

2005-08-23 Thread RKN Studio
Okay - Thanks to this list, I found the IE hack so that IE emmulates a fixed when scrolling. (thank you!) However, now IE is scrolling even my "position: relative;" 's. Also, the scroll bar in the window is now moved in to the page on IE...?... NN, FF, Opera, Mozilla all render the page correc

Re: [css-d] CSS Height Question

2005-08-23 Thread Pieter Van Waeyenberge
I skimmed thru very quickly so i hope this is relevant: try adding also ... check on safari cuz he real strict and, standards say in TD u cant specify height percentual if i dont mistaken Yazmin Media wrote: It was my attempt to fix the height problem based on this solution: http://www.

Re: [css-d] CSS Height Question

2005-08-23 Thread Yazmin Media
Anthony, The solution works great on IE/Win, but FF/Win still results in the same problem. Thank you though! Any other suggestions? -- Yazmin Wickham Contractor - Internet Development http://www.yazmin.net __ css-discuss [EMAIL

Re: [css-d] CSS Height Question

2005-08-23 Thread Yazmin Media
Thank you Charlotte. However, changing the height to auto gave me the same results I mentioned to Rowan, where the background extended as needed on the News page, but on other pages where the content is shorter than the viewport, .container no longer extended to the bottom of the screen. I've rem

Re: [css-d] CSS Height Question

2005-08-23 Thread Yazmin Media
It was my attempt to fix the height problem based on this solution: http://www.quirksmode.org/css/100percheight.html However, now that I have re-read it, I see what you are saying concerning the viewport. So this wasn't a true solution to my problem. Now on to your recommendations: When I remov

Re: [css-d] site check please in IE Mac

2005-08-23 Thread Roy Schestowitz
_/ On Tue 23 Aug 2005 13:56:49 BST, [anthony croshaw] wrote : \_ Hi guys, I am having problems with the bottom image postioning on this site, but only in IE Mac. I have tried absolute positioning, have now opted to float it, need to know if there is still a problem. Cheers Anthony

[css-d] div that resizes to height of window

2005-08-23 Thread andrew welch
Hi, I'm trying to create the following structure: header body ...where the header is fixed, and the body is scrollable. The body should resize to fill the available space. I'm trying to do it all using HTML + CSS without javascript. This is possible in IE apparently because IE treats 100% hei

RE: [css-d] CSS Height Question

2005-08-23 Thread Rowan @ Jetboy
You've set to 100% height, which is 100% of the viewport. In turn you've set .container to be 100% of its parent (i.e. body). Removing either (or preferably both) will fix things in Mozilla. Presumably these height settings were put in for a reason, maybe to fix another problem? My problem is o

[css-d] Re: Netscape: links in absolute positioned elements - solved

2005-08-23 Thread Martin Tschofen
I couldn't figure out a solution to links inside absolute positioned s but I rewrote the css without absolute positioning. Instead I floated each and set their display to block. Now everything works as it should...martin On 8/22/05, Martin Tschofen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm stuck with tab

[css-d] CSS Height Question

2005-08-23 Thread Yazmin Media
My problem is on the following page: http://tnri.yazminmedia.com/news My container div no longer stretches with the height of its contents. I'm looking for how to fix this, but am getting dead ends all around. Does anyone have any suggestions, or would someone take a look at my code and CSS and l

RE: [css-d] Opera pseudo-class descendants

2005-08-23 Thread Rowan @ Jetboy
Looks like I have a solution: // 'em' read by all browsers em { color: #F00; } /* 'a' read by all browsers */ a { color: #0F0; } /* Opera and Moz inherit link styles, IE ignores inherit */ a em { color: inherit; } /* Ignored by Opera, redundant for Moz, gets around inher

Re: [css-d] Opera pseudo-class descendants

2005-08-23 Thread David Laakso
Rowan @ Jetboy wrote: Opera 5 and 6 don't seem to be recognising descendants of pseudo-classes - such as a:hover em - resulting in some very odd link behaviour, especially when using a:link, a:visited etc. Is there a fix or a workaround that doesn't mean abandoning the semantics or duplicating t

Re: Off List Re: [css-d] OT Validation Troubles

2005-08-23 Thread jordan WOLLMAN
Thanks Gene, I think I'll just stick with UTF-8. I don't intend to write anything in any other language besides English... I can barely speak that one well enough :D Cheers! Jordan WOLLMAN // > I think not. The consensus in other threads has > generally favored UTF-8 as the coding because of >

[css-d] Inline background colour conundrum

2005-08-23 Thread Caroline Clifford
Hello - I am brand new to this list - good afternoon :) I have to code this part of the following page (this is from the designer) http://www.localgirl.co.uk/dump/css_example_correct.gif Unfortunately it's driving me a bit mad as I can only get it like this: http://www.localgirl.co.uk/dump/css_

[css-d] site check please in IE Mac

2005-08-23 Thread anthony croshaw
Hi guys, I am having problems with the bottom image postioning on this site, but only in IE Mac. I have tried absolute positioning, have now opted to float it, need to know if there is still a problem. Cheers Anthony Site: http://www.spiralsofabundance.com/index.htm Css is as follows:

RE: [css-d] Site check please

2005-08-23 Thread Giles Clark
Hi jackie, >Hi all... I've just completed my very first site using CSS and am encountering >difficulty with the site in Netscape and Firefox (the site completely breaks). >The site was fine during testing, but once uploaded to the web server things >went screwy. I think it might be worth checking

[css-d] 100% height image or content to set parent height

2005-08-23 Thread Charlotte Westney
Hi everyone, I'm trying to set-up a simple 2 column layout, with % widths and heights, so that whichever column is longest, sets the height of the parent block. Nav on the left, expands if content ( a with a number of ) increases. Image on the right, with width as 100% and height at 100% so it

[css-d] Font Rendering Bug?

2005-08-23 Thread Hershel Robinson
Here is my test page: http://www.mishpachaw.com/fontTest1.htm w3.org says it validates. In IE6 and Opera 8 on Win 2K, I see the first two 'continue shopping' texts in the same size font and the third one 'continue shopping big' in a larger font. I believe this is correct rendering. In FF 1

[css-d] firefox pushes table outside div

2005-08-23 Thread ross
I have a table inside a div...which firefox pushes outside the div http://www.blue-fly.co.uk/contact.php http://www.blue-fly.co.uk/links.php both times it happens when there is a table inside a div...any ideas? R. __ css-d

[css-d] Opera pseudo-class descendants

2005-08-23 Thread Rowan @ Jetboy
I have some copy where I've semantically emphasised some words: Why does Opera misbehave when Mozilla doesn't? I've made a section of the copy, including a chunk of emphasised text, a link: Why does Opera misbehave when Mozilla doesn't? and I've used the following CSS to style the links: em {

[css-d] Opera pseudo-class descendants

2005-08-23 Thread Rowan @ Jetboy
I have some copy where I've semantically emphasised some words: Why does Opera misbehave when Mozilla doesn't? I've made a section of the copy, including a chunk of emphasised text, a link: Why does Opera misbehave when Mozilla doesn't? and I've used the following CSS to style the links: em {

[css-d] IE floated lists behaviour

2005-08-23 Thread Rowan @ Jetboy
When s are floated left in a floated , each clears previous ones, and the is given a width; the s in IE (5, 5.5 and 6 in quirks and strict) react to the to as if it's exactly half its specified width. All except the first bullet. In the code below, shrinking the width of the will cause the con

Re: [css-d] to container/wrapper or not to container/wrapper

2005-08-23 Thread Ingo Chao
matthijs abeelen wrote: That's an issue I have been thinking about too. As i started learning css I just assumed a container div was a necessity in the standard fixed-width 750px layouts. It's hard to find a site that doesn't use one. Untill I found these examples/articles: http://jero.net/archi