Re: [css-d] CSS replacement for table layouts

2008-12-10 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Geoff Hoffman wrote: > Is it that the browsers don't support what the CSS is supposed to do > yet? Internet Explorer doesn't support CSS table at all up to and including IE7. That is the only reason CSS table can't be used. IE8 will render CSS tables ok. > Or am I incorrect in thinking that dis

Re: [css-d] CSS replacement for table layouts

2008-12-10 Thread christianz
Geoff, If a table layout works for you, the project, and the client then go for it. I understand the frustrations you have outlined. There really are some things that are easier to do with tables. Personally, I never layout a page with tables anymore because I need to keep the stuff in my portf

Re: [css-d] resetting global font size

2008-12-10 Thread David Laakso
Angela French wrote: > http://checkoutacollege.com/. > There have been complaints about the small font size on the body content > > > > Angela French > > While you ponder global font-size , splitting pixels, and users with images disabled, skip over to IE/6 and IE/7 and view your page at t

Re: [css-d] Anyone Know of Hover Drop Down Menus?

2008-12-10 Thread Al Sparber
From: "Geoff Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Unless I missed it, I am surprised nobody mentioned these: > > http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menus/ > > Pure CSS flyout menus, no Javascript, vertical and horizontal, to any > depth level. Pure CSS flyouts are extremely unusable in the real world. It's a mat

Re: [css-d] fractions in font-size

2008-12-10 Thread David Hucklesby
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:38:16 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2008/12/10 23:15 (GMT+0200) Jukka K. Korpela composed: > >> There is indeed a lot of variation... >> > That they do: http://fm.no-ip.com/auth/Font/font-rounding.html > >> What's puzzling is that IE seems to _truncate_ e.g. 11.9px to 11px i

[css-d] can apply style inline but not in style sheet

2008-12-10 Thread Angela French
On this page: http://checkoutacollege.com/ I am trying to apply a background color in back of the Ready/Set/Go buttons (of the same color) so that if the images are turned off, the text can still be read. (I'd like to just get rid of the beveled images before long!). Do accomplish this, I bel

[css-d] CSS replacement for table layouts

2008-12-10 Thread Geoff Hoffman
Sorry for the long post, but I've been thinking about this for over a year now, and it's been asked many times before without a viable answer that is actually reliably workable in a production environment. The bottom line is, I still have to resort to using tables for grid-based layouts, becau

Re: [css-d] Anyone Know of Hover Drop Down Menus?

2008-12-10 Thread Geoff Hoffman
Unless I missed it, I am surprised nobody mentioned these: http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menus/ Pure CSS flyout menus, no Javascript, vertical and horizontal, to any depth level. And it validates. And they're free. __ css-discus

Re: [css-d] fractions in font-size

2008-12-10 Thread Felix Miata
On 2008/12/10 23:15 (GMT+0200) Jukka K. Korpela composed: > There is indeed a lot of variation... That they do: http://fm.no-ip.com/auth/Font/font-rounding.html > What's puzzling is that IE seems to _truncate_ e.g. 11.9px to 11px instead > of rounding it to 12px. More than just seems to, and i

Re: [css-d] fractions in font-size

2008-12-10 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: > Angela French wrote: > >> Is there no way to get "in between" sizes? > > Not on today's screens where a pixel is a screen-pixel. Modern technology often makes subpixels available. It is unclear how they should relate to the pixel concept of CSS, which is rather vague - it

Re: [css-d] help with childselector

2008-12-10 Thread Angela French
Thanks! -Original Message- From: Bjoern Hoehrmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:55 PM To: Angela French Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] help with childselector * Angela French wrote: >I don't understand why my list-style:none; is

Re: [css-d] help with childselector

2008-12-10 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Angela French wrote: >I don't understand why my list-style:none; is not working, especially >since I made it important. I can't even get it to go away if I put >list-style:none inline on the webpage like this: style="list-style:none;">. You are using the 'background' property to set the bullet.

[css-d] help with childselector

2008-12-10 Thread Angela French
I have a child that just won't behave! I have a left hand navigation bar that has a list with an image in the background for the bullet. It is styled like this: #navLeft ul { padding-left:0; margin-left:0; list-style:none; } #navLeft ul li { paddin

Re: [css-d] A float that 'sticks' to the bottom of an enclosing element

2008-12-10 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Thijs van der Vossen wrote: > There's now a demo at > http://stuff.vandervossen.net/temporary/demo.html and a screenshot at > http://stuff.vandervossen.net/temporary/demo.png > > The examples with the black borders show the behaviour I'm after. Try this...

Re: [css-d] A float that 'sticks' to the bottom of an enclosing element

2008-12-10 Thread Thijs van der Vossen
On 10 Dec 2008, at 19:42, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: > Thijs van der Vossen wrote: >> Every so often I find myself in a situation where I would like to >> have a floating element that 'sticks' to the bottom of an enclosing >> element. > > Your last example seems easy enough, as it is simply a matter

Re: [css-d] A float that 'sticks' to the bottom of an enclosing element

2008-12-10 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Thijs van der Vossen wrote: > Every so often I find myself in a situation where I would like to > have a floating element that 'sticks' to the bottom of an enclosing > element. Your last example seems easy enough, as it is simply a matter of clearing the float below the static "even longer page

Re: [css-d] fractions in font-size

2008-12-10 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Angela French wrote: > Is there no way to get "in between" sizes? Not on today's screens where a pixel is a screen-pixel. You're limited to screen-pixels - or PPI, as there are no half-pixels available. May be solved when we get screens with 300DPI - or PPI - resolution, one day. Note that the r

[css-d] A float that 'sticks' to the bottom of an enclosing element

2008-12-10 Thread Thijs van der Vossen
Every so often I find myself in a situation where I would like to have a floating element that 'sticks' to the bottom of an enclosing element. Suppose you have a page title and a link that's floated to the right: | A page title[ The floated link ] | With this layout, a longer tit

[css-d] fractions in font-size

2008-12-10 Thread Angela French
Continuing on my quest to improve the readability of the site I manage, I'm playing around with font-sizes and am wondering about fractions of units (100ths in ems, and 10ths in pixels). For example, in IE7 at least, there is no difference in rendering .71em or .8em. It appears that .7 up to .79e

[css-d] Dreamweaver - setting up a testing server

2008-12-10 Thread Peter Jacobson
Hello! Slightly off the CSS.. but I'm wondering if any Dreamweaver (CS3) people here might know about defining a site location remotely. I'm trying to add a page or two to a very large university computer network. I think I'm having a permissions problem. I have correct FTP password and user info b

Re: [css-d] About The font size...

2008-12-10 Thread Michael Geary
In case anyone wonders why Felix and Chris and some of the other regulars keep emphasizing the point of respecting the user's font size - and designing your page to allow for different font sizes - I experienced a vivid illustration of this last night. I've been shopping for a car, mostly looking

Re: [css-d] resetting global font size

2008-12-10 Thread Angela French
Thank you to those of you who reminded me that the style sheets themselves cascade depending on the order they are called in. Duh! :-) -Original Message- From: Peter Hyde-Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:05 PM To: Angela French; css-d@lists.css-discuss.or

Re: [css-d] About The font size...

2008-12-10 Thread Chris Taylor
> Regardless which of the possibilities applies in any given case, the > state may be either smaller, or larger, or the same as, the size > preferred by the designer. I agree there are many obstacles in the way of creating the "perfect" layout, but the designers preference should always be of sec

Re: [css-d] About The font size...

2008-12-10 Thread Felix Miata
On 2008/12/10 09:35 (GMT) Chris Taylor composed: >> From: MEM >> 2) Not letting the design experience (that should also be for the user) >> be ruined with some default options that the user may have? > I think this is looking at the problem the wrong way. While designers may > have a preferred f

[css-d] Semantic Approach for Link Columns/Fragments

2008-12-10 Thread Mustafa Quilon
Hi, I wanted to know what would be the best(semantic) approach to mark-up/style lists that appear in columns. I've uploaded an example image[1]. I would normally code it as follows: and float them. (or) just use one "outer-div" and float the 's... Is it possible to have only "

Re: [css-d] About The font size...

2008-12-10 Thread Chris Taylor
> From: MEM > Sent: 10 December 2008 09:12 > Subject: [css-d] About The font size... > > 2) Not letting the design experience (that should > also be for the user) be ruined with some default options that the user > may have? I think this is looking at the problem the wrong way. While designers may

[css-d] About The font size...

2008-12-10 Thread MEM
I've notice that the main gurus of this mailing-list are always telling us: "pay attention to user options and let the browser do the math". Those are not totally separate statements I believe, but, about the user options, even if the most of the users don't even know about the font-size option, i