Re: [css-d] Role of Pre-processors

2014-05-10 Thread Philip Taylor
Tim Climis wrote: The problem is not lack of standardization. The problem is that developers want to use properties that technically aren't part of the standard yet. I respectfully disagree. The problem is not what the developers /want/ us to do, but rather than there are far too many of

Re: [css-d] Role of Pre-processors

2014-05-10 Thread MiB
maj 10 2014 12:54 Philip Taylor : > I respectfully disagree. The problem is not what the developers > /want/ us to do, but rather than there are far too many of us > who are only too eager to accede to their wishes. We are under no > obligation whatsoever to do anything that a developer might w

Re: [css-d] Role of Pre-processors

2014-05-10 Thread Philip Taylor
MiB wrote: maj 10 2014 12:54 Philip Taylor : I prefer to wait until a specification becomes a formal recommendation before adopting any part of it for production work. Define formal. "Formal" : 7.4.5 Publication of a W3C Recommendation Document maturity level: Recommendation. Announc

Re: [css-d] Role of Pre-processors

2014-05-10 Thread GJim
Howdy Tim, ~~~ Friday, May 9, 2014, 5:36:51 PM (USA 'Somewhere on-the-road time-zone'), you wrote the message that appears below. My reply appears here and/or interspersed within your message. ~~~ > There is standardization. What, then, of the divergence between W3C and WHATWG? G'Jim c):{- --

Re: [css-d] Role of Pre-processors

2014-05-10 Thread Philip Taylor
GJim wrote: What, then, of the divergence between W3C and WHATWG? There is W3C, and there is everybody else. WHATWG is nothing more than a member of "everybody else", no matter how great its finite-but-unbounded sense of self-importance. Philip Taylor __

Re: [css-d] Role of Pre-processors

2014-05-10 Thread Tim Climis
On Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:54:32 AM you wrote: > Tim Climis wrote: > > The problem is not lack of standardization. The problem is that > > developers want to use properties that technically aren't part of the > > standard yet. > > I respectfully disagree. The problem is not what the developers

Re: [css-d] Role of Pre-processors

2014-05-10 Thread Tim Climis
On Saturday, May 10, 2014 08:57:36 AM GJim wrote: > > There is standardization. > > What, then, of the divergence between W3C and WHATWG? I'm unaware of a WHATWG CSS standard (and it appears that Google also doesn't know about it, so I'm questioning its existence). I know that there are comp

Re: [css-d] Role of Pre-processors

2014-05-10 Thread MiB
maj 10 2014 16:54 Tim Climis : > but those are irrelevant to > this thread. How did standards enter into a discussion on the role of (CSS) preprocessors anyway? Preprocessors are largely operationally independent of standards — you may choose to support them or not as usual — so I feel the ro

Re: [css-d] Role of Pre-processors

2014-05-10 Thread GJim
Howdy Philip, ~~~ Saturday, May 10, 2014, 9:02:51 AM (USA 'Somewhere on-the-road time-zone'), you wrote the message that appears below. My reply appears here and/or interspersed within your message. ~~~ > GJim wrote: >> What, then, of the divergence between W3C and WHATWG? > There is W3C, and

[css-d] LESS help?

2014-05-10 Thread John
Sorry for asking this again; there was an email where somebody gave some links to groups where they get great help in LESS..IIRC, they were not lesscss.org; got that one. I can't find the email with the links to the LESS help groups. Anyone have those? Thank you! John _