Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-11 Thread ~davidLaakso
Portman wrote: > Zoe, > > I reduced the size of my image, Cool. Ditch all the background images. It will look more contemporary. It will load even faster. And you will kill two birds in one fell swoop. [trimmed] > > > Thanks, > Riva > [trimmed] Best, ~dL PS One Fell Swoop is the second albu

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-11 Thread Portman
Zoe, I reduced the size of my image, but the web host is the client's responsibility, so I guess it will stay this way. (I was curious about what you said about there being a different kind of bug when it is NOT the style sheet that loads last and causes the flash - wanted to find out more abo

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-11 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Portman wrote: > Zoe, can you point me in the right direction to find out what the bug > might be? > Riva, I think everyone on this list has said several times that this is not a CSS bug, it is a slow loading page. At least, that's what my understanding of it is. All you can do is get a fas

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-11 Thread Portman
Zoe, can you point me in the right direction to find out what the bug might be? Thanks, Riva Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: > No you can't. If parts of the styles aren't loading, then it's a bug, > but a different bug. It's not FOUC. FOUC means all the styles don't load > for a second, in IE6 and l

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-11 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Michael Geary wrote: >> From: Zoe M. Gillenwater >> >> Exactly. FOUC is a very specific bug. It means that *none* of >> the styles are loaded initially. I'm guessing they are, and >> it's just the background image that isn't loaded >> instantaneously. Again, Riva, do the styles on the fonts show

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-10 Thread Michael Geary
> From: Zoe M. Gillenwater > > Exactly. FOUC is a very specific bug. It means that *none* of > the styles are loaded initially. I'm guessing they are, and > it's just the background image that isn't loaded > instantaneously. Again, Riva, do the styles on the fonts show > up right away? Try mak

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-10 Thread Michael Geary
> > I looked at your page in IE7 and FF2, and I do see a problem > > with the page loading in both browsers. The background image > > used in the sidebars flickers across the entire center area > > for a moment. I don't know if that's what you're talking > > about - I probably wouldn't call it

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-10 Thread Portman
It is only the background that doesn't load initially. What other bug could it be? Riva Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: > Exactly. FOUC is a very specific bug. It means that *none* of the styles > are loaded initially. I'm guessing they are, and it's just the > background image that isn't loaded ins

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-10 Thread Portman
Are you on dial up? That is not good. Riva Richard Grevers wrote: > Basically, pay more for a faster server. > I spent 11 seconds waiting while nothing happened, then saw a > split-second flash of white (my default bg is grey, otherwise I > wouldn't have seen it). before the page rendered fully o

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-10 Thread Richard Grevers
On 1/11/07, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a FOUC problem on one of my websites and I have tried all the > fixes I can think of but nothing is helping. Would someone mind taking a > look and letting me know what the problem is? > http://www.starqualitydesigns.com/contempo >

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-10 Thread Portman
Thanks Shelly. I do have that in the page already. Riva Shelly wrote: > Try adding this in your meat tags in the head of your document: > > > > See if that helps. > > ~Shelly > __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-dis

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-10 Thread Shelly
Try adding this in your meat tags in the head of your document: See if that helps. ~Shelly __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?pa

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-10 Thread Portman
I know. :-) Michael Geary wrote: > And no offense intended! There was a virtual smileyface at the end of that > sentence... :-) > > -Mike > __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-10 Thread Michael Geary
> Riva! Forgive me, but after your fifth message we still don't > know what "it" is. And no offense intended! There was a virtual smileyface at the end of that sentence... :-) -Mike __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.c

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-10 Thread Portman
Okay. I'll give it a try. As I said in the previous e-mail, the background is what flashes (well, that is what I don't like) and the text, etc. appears a second later. What would the other bug be? Riva Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: > Exactly. FOUC is a very specific bug. It means that *none* of th

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-10 Thread Portman
Thanks for the reply Mike. Yes, it was the background I was talking about. I did replace the 7KB background image with a 2.3KB background image, so maybe that helps. What I did was to create a wide image across the whole page and set it as the background in the tag so that it would appear as i

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-10 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Michael Geary wrote: > Riva! Forgive me, but after your fifth message we still don't know what "it" > is. > > I looked at your page in IE7 and FF2, and I do see a problem with the page > loading in both browsers. The background image used in the sidebars flickers > across the entire center area for

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-10 Thread Michael Geary
Riva! Forgive me, but after your fifth message we still don't know what "it" is. I looked at your page in IE7 and FF2, and I do see a problem with the page loading in both browsers. The background image used in the sidebars flickers across the entire center area for a moment. I don't know if that'

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-10 Thread Portman
I don't know. I tried putting a background image in the html page so it wouldn't look so obvious but it is hard to tell what flashes. Riva Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: > Riva, > > But as Rod said, is it just that the background image takes a second to > load, or are the fonts and all other styles

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-10 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Portman wrote: > Thanks Rod. > > Zoe, I am using IE6 on Windows XP. The funny thing is, I only see it > online (as opposed to on my computer). > Riva, But as Rod said, is it just that the background image takes a second to load, or are the fonts and all other styles not loading right away ei

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-10 Thread Portman
Thanks Rod. Zoe, I am using IE6 on Windows XP. The funny thing is, I only see it online (as opposed to on my computer). Riva __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information --

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-10 Thread Optrics Engineering - Rod Miles, B.Eng.
>Portman wrote: >> I have a FOUC problem on one of my websites and I have tried all the >> fixes I can think of but nothing is helping. Would someone mind taking a >> look and letting me know what the problem is? >> http://www.starqualitydesigns.com/contempo >> >I can't see a FOUC on IE7 or IE6 on

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-10 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Portman wrote: > I have a FOUC problem on one of my websites and I have tried all the > fixes I can think of but nothing is helping. Would someone mind taking a > look and letting me know what the problem is? > http://www.starqualitydesigns.com/contempo > I can't see a FOUC on IE7 or IE6 on

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-10 Thread Portman
I know! My client is not complaining but I would like this fixed. Thanks for the reply, Riva Dave Goodchild wrote: > Well, you have link and script elements inside your head section, > which is the classic antidote to FOUC, so not sure why that's happening. > > > -- > http://www.web-buddha.co.u

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-10 Thread Dave Goodchild
Well, you have link and script elements inside your head section, which is the classic antidote to FOUC, so not sure why that's happening. -- http://www.web-buddha.co.uk __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.or

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-10 Thread Portman
Thanks for the reply. Do you see the pages flash briefly before they load? What browser are you using? FOUC = Flash Of Unstyled Content. It is when your css loads after the page loads and IE shows the page "flashing" with no style for a second. Riva Christopher Blake wrote: > whats fouc? > I c

[css-d] FOUC problem

2007-01-10 Thread Portman
Hi all, I have a FOUC problem on one of my websites and I have tried all the fixes I can think of but nothing is helping. Would someone mind taking a look and letting me know what the problem is? http://www.starqualitydesigns.com/contempo Thanks, Riva __

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem?

2006-12-22 Thread Dr. Martin Krumme
Hi Francky, francky wrote: > To diminish the effect, you can place the logo and the other sidebar > images in the background: then they don't show in the flash up&down. :-) > I tested this with the logo (right side images not yet done). that's a nice idea. Thank you for the example. I will certa

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem?

2006-12-22 Thread Dr. Martin Krumme
~davidLaakso wrote: > When scrolling down, and then re-loading, the page jumps to the top and > simultaneously flashes the *styled* content. AFAIK, this is correct > behavior. > FOUC is usually associated with the CSS @import rule, which you do not > seem to be using. David, obviously I used

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem?

2006-12-21 Thread francky
~davidLaakso wrote: >Martin Krumme wrote: > > >>[...] >>If you scroll down and refresh the page, you will see that the content >>of the sidebar is displayed for a second or so. How could I prevent that? >> >>The url is http://www.nees.uni-bonn.de/2007/test.html >> >> >[...] >When scrollin

Re: [css-d] FOUC problem?

2006-12-21 Thread ~davidLaakso
Martin Krumme wrote: > I have a problem with a page in IE. I presume it is a fouc-issue. I > hoped to resolve that problem by simply inserting an empty stylesheet, > but the problem remains. > > If you scroll down and refresh the page, you will see that the content > of the sidebar is displayed

[css-d] FOUC problem?

2006-12-21 Thread Martin Krumme
I have a problem with a page in IE. I presume it is a fouc-issue. I hoped to resolve that problem by simply inserting an empty stylesheet, but the problem remains. If you scroll down and refresh the page, you will see that the content of the sidebar is displayed for a second or so. How could I