Re: [css-d] Help my design team move away from nested tables

2005-11-30 Thread Phil Tobias
On Nov 29, 2005, at 5:26 PM, Christian Heilmann wrote: > It might be a handy tool to deliver clickthrough wireframes, but this > is not a web page generator. Even as a wireframing tool it is rather > dangerous, as clients will be miffed when they see that the final > product does look a lot differe

Re: [css-d] Help my design team move away from nested tables

2005-11-30 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Christian Heilmann wrote: >I think if we start thinking of web sites as entities of content >delivered through a certain channel - HTML and CSS - instead of >Photoshop layouts, then we have a chance to create successful, >beautiful and accessible / globally available pages. > I think Christian h

Re: [css-d] Help my design team move away from nested tables

2005-11-29 Thread Christian Heilmann
> SiteGrinder (http://www.medialab.com/sitegrinder/) from Media Lab is a > tool that does this. SiteGrinder takes layered Photoshop designs and > outputs them as working CSS pages. However, as it uses absolute > positioning for page elements, it may or may not be a perfect solution > on its own. Bu

Re: [css-d] Help my design team move away from nested tables

2005-11-29 Thread Phil Tobias
On Nov 29, 2005, at 5:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > When engaging a client my design team will for provide still image > created via Photoshop to the > client. Once the client accepts the design the design person will use > Adobe ImageReady to produce > HTML cut-ups. As you can guess the cont

Re: [css-d] Help my design team move away from nested tables

2005-11-29 Thread Arnold, Tim
, it's fun!! Tim __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Dougherty Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:45 AM To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] Help my design team move away from

Re: [css-d] Help my design team move away from nested tables

2005-11-29 Thread Paul Menard
Well okay sorry. I didn't anticipate this would be taken as literal. The entire page is not cutup as a Photoshop image. Only items like the masthead/header, navigation, logo, etc are provided in cutup form. We do not cutup the actual body text. Take a look at this page. http://dev.equalityforal

Re: [css-d] Help my design team move away from nested tables

2005-11-29 Thread Paul Menard
Thanks for the reply Nick. Yeah. I agree it's sort of a strange situation. Our design team actually is allowed to do more CSS than the tech group I'm in. We just handle the PHP, ASP, CF and database integration parts. And of course given our client timelines there is never enough time to do it r

Re: [css-d] Help my design team move away from nested tables

2005-11-29 Thread Mike Dougherty
If a page is composed entirely of a 'cut up' Photoshop image, what value is CSS? If the page is created and managed as a photoshop document, is there any useful presentation feature offered by CSS? There is no font control (sizing, face, etc.) there is no color control, there is no (real) ho

Re: [css-d] Help my design team move away from nested tables

2005-11-29 Thread Nick Wilsdon
Paul wrote: > If we want to produce good clean markup using CSS we have the basically rewrite much of the output from the design team. This seems like double work, Considering this is more a tool issue than the fault of the designers. What alternatives are there for this? This tool doesn't exist

Re: [css-d] Help my design team move away from nested tables

2005-11-29 Thread Tony Crockford
Paul Menard wrote: > Greeting all. > > When engaging a client my design team will for provide still image created > via Photoshop to the > client. Once the client accepts the design the design person will use Adobe > ImageReady to produce > HTML cut-ups. As you can guess the content of the pages

[css-d] Help my design team move away from nested tables

2005-11-29 Thread Paul Menard
Greeting all. When engaging a client my design team will for provide still image created via Photoshop to the client. Once the client accepts the design the design person will use Adobe ImageReady to produce HTML cut-ups. As you can guess the content of the pages is all nested table. If we want