Re: [css-d] IE 6 news implications

2011-12-18 Thread Barney Carroll
> Secondly, if you guys, who wish to drop IE6, wish to work with APAC > customers, that might be a tad problematic to have both wishes granted at > the same time. Last week I was able to see what browsers several large > Asian companies tend to use. IE6 - IE8. 20% IE6, 20% IE7, 30% IE8, rest - > o

Re: [css-d] IE 6 news implications

2011-12-17 Thread Tomasz Borek
Firstly, I doubt all will go as M$ plans it will. Especially with the market share percentages, that are supposed to drop to less than 1%. Secondly, if you guys, who wish to drop IE6, wish to work with APAC customers, that might be a tad problematic to have both wishes granted at the same time. La

Re: [css-d] IE 6 news implications

2011-12-17 Thread Del Wegener
Barney Carroll wrote: The misleading implication with this news from MS is that users who have been inexplicably stuck on IE6 will all be moved forward by this. The sad fact is a lot of IE6 is intentional lock in. Here in the UK almost all government employees have it as their only browser — and

Re: [css-d] IE 6 news implications

2011-12-17 Thread david
Barney Carroll wrote: The misleading implication with this news from MS is that users who have been inexplicably stuck on IE6 will all be moved forward by this. The sad fact is a lot of IE6 is intentional lock in. Here in the UK almost all government employees have it as their only browser — and

Re: [css-d] IE 6 news implications

2011-12-17 Thread Barney Carroll
The misleading implication with this news from MS is that users who have been inexplicably stuck on IE6 will all be moved forward by this. The sad fact is a lot of IE6 is intentional lock in. Here in the UK almost all government employees have it as their only browser — and that's a matter of go

Re: [css-d] IE 6 news implications

2011-12-17 Thread Erick Staal
You only should maintain a certain codebase if there is a business case for it. If your biggest customer would only use IE6 and is willing to pay for maintaining the codebase, then do so. However, given the dwindling number of IE6 installations (and which will be actively migrated by MS in the n

Re: [css-d] IE 6 news implications

2011-12-16 Thread John D
> OK..to me, it sounds like IE 6 will continue to be an issue to be dealt with > for the foreseeable, conceivable future. > It will continue to be an issue only if you continue to support it. As soon as you draw a line somwehere then your target audience will also switch quickly. This a

Re: [css-d] IE 6 news implications

2011-12-16 Thread David Laakso
On 12/16/2011 3:09 PM, John wrote: This sounds encouraging...for a small web presence, like an artist's portfolio, can a web author reasonably ignore IE 6... John Yes, of course, ignore IE/6 for a contemporary artist's portfolio. Best, Vincent Arles _

Re: [css-d] IE 6 news implications

2011-12-16 Thread John
This sounds encouraging...for a small web presence, like an artist's portfolio, can a web author reasonably ignore IE 6, or should one first gauge who's visiting with what browser first? I can say that visitors to my site who might want my services are not going to be users of IE 6 and all that

Re: [css-d] IE 6 news implications

2011-12-16 Thread Barney Carroll
> Sounds from your comments that some/many companies feel that IE6 usage is so > insignificant as to make accommodating it to be more costly than any benefit > gotten from the accommodation. > > Is that the feeling? I work for a digital marketing agency that churns out a fairly large number of

Re: [css-d] IE 6 news implications

2011-12-16 Thread Ed Goodson
If you work for a development company you have to adhere to the company policy. What ever it is. But if you and independent developer the company policy is what ever you want it to be. The percentage of IE6 users is so low I don't see why it can't be ignored. One more interesting question: who ar

Re: [css-d] IE 6 news implications

2011-12-16 Thread John
On Dec 16, 2011, at 8:48 AM, Colin (Sandy) Pittendrigh wrote: > If you work for a development company you have to adhere to the company > policy. What ever it is. > But if you and independent developer the company policy is what ever you want > it to be. > > The percentage of IE6 users is so l

Re: [css-d] IE 6 news implications

2011-12-16 Thread David Laakso
On 12/16/2011 11:00 AM, John wrote: On Dec 16, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Barney Carroll wrote: For pre-Vista users though, Ie8 is the maximum version number. For people who have disabled Windows updates, and for people in corporate lock-down policy, IE6 will continue to be the only browser. OK..to me,

Re: [css-d] IE 6 news implications

2011-12-16 Thread John
On Dec 16, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Barney Carroll wrote: > For pre-Vista users though, Ie8 is the maximum version number. For > people who have disabled Windows updates, and for people in corporate > lock-down policy, IE6 will continue to be the only browser. OK..to me, it sounds like IE 6 will contin

Re: [css-d] IE 6 news implications

2011-12-16 Thread Barney Carroll
> Does it mean that, after MS takes these steps, we can basically forget about > hacking and kudging our sites to work with IE 6? No. Microsoft have yet to explain exactly how these updates will be introduced (particularly for XP users). The idea is that Internet Explorer updates, including whol

[css-d] IE 6 news implications

2011-12-16 Thread John
According to the article linked below, MS is going to take more active steps to encourage people to dump IE 6 if true, what are the real-world, practical, every-day implications of this for coders? Does it mean that, after MS takes these steps, we can basically forget about hacking and kudging