Re: [css-d] Role of Pre-processors

2014-05-10 Thread Philip Taylor
Tim Climis wrote: The problem is not lack of standardization. The problem is that developers want to use properties that technically aren't part of the standard yet. I respectfully disagree. The problem is not what the developers /want/ us to do, but rather than there are far too many of

Re: [css-d] Role of Pre-processors

2014-05-10 Thread MiB
maj 10 2014 12:54 Philip Taylor p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: I respectfully disagree. The problem is not what the developers /want/ us to do, but rather than there are far too many of us who are only too eager to accede to their wishes. We are under no obligation whatsoever to do anything that a

Re: [css-d] Role of Pre-processors

2014-05-10 Thread Philip Taylor
MiB wrote: maj 10 2014 12:54 Philip Taylor p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: I prefer to wait until a specification becomes a formal recommendation before adopting any part of it for production work. Define formal. Formal : 7.4.5 Publication of a W3C Recommendation Document maturity level:

Re: [css-d] Role of Pre-processors

2014-05-10 Thread GJim
Howdy Tim, ~~~ Friday, May 9, 2014, 5:36:51 PM (USA 'Somewhere on-the-road time-zone'), you wrote the message that appears below. My reply appears here and/or interspersed within your message. ~~~ There is standardization. What, then, of the divergence between W3C and WHATWG? G'Jim c):{- --

Re: [css-d] Role of Pre-processors

2014-05-10 Thread Philip Taylor
GJim wrote: What, then, of the divergence between W3C and WHATWG? There is W3C, and there is everybody else. WHATWG is nothing more than a member of everybody else, no matter how great its finite-but-unbounded sense of self-importance. Philip Taylor

Re: [css-d] Role of Pre-processors

2014-05-10 Thread Tim Climis
On Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:54:32 AM you wrote: Tim Climis wrote: The problem is not lack of standardization. The problem is that developers want to use properties that technically aren't part of the standard yet. I respectfully disagree. The problem is not what the developers /want/

Re: [css-d] Role of Pre-processors

2014-05-10 Thread Tim Climis
On Saturday, May 10, 2014 08:57:36 AM GJim wrote: There is standardization. What, then, of the divergence between W3C and WHATWG? I'm unaware of a WHATWG CSS standard (and it appears that Google also doesn't know about it, so I'm questioning its existence). I know that there are

Re: [css-d] Role of Pre-processors

2014-05-10 Thread MiB
maj 10 2014 16:54 Tim Climis tim.cli...@gmail.com: but those are irrelevant to this thread. How did standards enter into a discussion on the role of (CSS) preprocessors anyway? Preprocessors are largely operationally independent of standards — you may choose to support them or not as usual

Re: [css-d] Role of Pre-processors

2014-05-10 Thread GJim
Howdy Philip, ~~~ Saturday, May 10, 2014, 9:02:51 AM (USA 'Somewhere on-the-road time-zone'), you wrote the message that appears below. My reply appears here and/or interspersed within your message. ~~~ GJim wrote: What, then, of the divergence between W3C and WHATWG? There is W3C, and

[css-d] Role of Pre-processors

2014-05-09 Thread Andrew C. Johnston
Eric: Well, I am just thinking theoretically, but the standards refrain is, everyone should meet the standards. And so css says, the code 'corners: rounded' or 'corners: spiked' is valid. But then the browsers fail to comply. They need it to be, 'mozilla-corners: rounded', and then there are 8

Re: [css-d] Role of Pre-processors

2014-05-09 Thread Tim Climis
There is standardization. On Friday, May 09, 2014 09:15:46 AM Andrew C. Johnston wrote: Eric: Well, I am just thinking theoretically, but the standards refrain is, everyone should meet the standards. And so css says, the code 'corners: rounded' or 'corners: spiked' is valid. But then the