Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-24 Thread david
Del Wegener wrote: Jukka K. Korpela wrote: On Mon, 21 May 2007, david wrote: that each line is easily handled as a separate paragraph, with CSS controlling line spacing and left/right margins. Just to add my two cents worth. When writing mathematics one frequently must display a

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-23 Thread Del Wegener
Jukka K. Korpela wrote: On Mon, 21 May 2007, david wrote: that each line is easily handled as a separate paragraph, with CSS controlling line spacing and left/right margins. Just to add my two cents worth. When writing mathematics one frequently must display a formula which in fact is

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread david
Richard Grevers wrote: On 5/21/07, Bob Easton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Francesco Rizzi wrote: So, my question for the list is: why should we use css rules in this scenario instead of br tags ? Let's call it separating content (HTML) from presentation (CSS). Use technologies for their

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread Melianor
Different solution: hrpContent/p and style the p element accordingly to achieve the spacing with different margins/paddings for top and bottom. You save code and the whole thing becomes more clear to read aswell. Inside the p element feel free to use br. br is a line break, nothing else. Its not

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Mon, 21 May 2007, david wrote: Why would you need to start a new line in the middle of a paragraph? I think that if you think about it, you'll find you're doing it to put a different item inside it, like a list? A fairly common case is a longish expression, such as an inline quotation or

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread david
david wrote: Richard Grevers wrote: On 5/21/07, Bob Easton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Francesco Rizzi wrote: So, my question for the list is: why should we use css rules in this scenario instead of br tags ? Let's call it separating content (HTML) from presentation (CSS). Use technologies

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread david
Jukka K. Korpela wrote: On Mon, 21 May 2007, david wrote: Why would you need to start a new line in the middle of a paragraph? I think that if you think about it, you'll find you're doing it to put a different item inside it, like a list? A fairly common case is a longish expression, such

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On May 22, 2007, at 3:32 PM, david wrote: I would be interested in seeing your pure css solution for inserting a carriage return in the middle of a paragraph (or similar block element which is semantically a single unit, but nevertheless needs a newline) without adding other

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread david
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: On May 22, 2007, at 3:32 PM, david wrote: I would be interested in seeing your pure css solution for inserting a carriage return in the middle of a paragraph (or similar block element which is semantically a single unit, but nevertheless needs a newline) without

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Mon, 21 May 2007, david wrote: Why would you need to do all that? You just put your inline quotation or program code in its own paragraph and adjust your margins that way. Why would you need to use :before or :after pseudo-elements at all? If I have, say, a text paragraph that mentions a

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Mon, 21 May 2007, david wrote: Update: after posting that, I saw someone else mention song lyrics or poetry. Being a writer of both, all I can say is - that each line is easily handled as a separate paragraph, with CSS controlling line spacing and left/right margins. I don't think it's

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread Blake Haswell
david wrote: Update: after posting that, I saw someone else mention song lyrics or poetry. Being a writer of both, all I can say is - that each line is easily handled as a separate paragraph, with CSS controlling line spacing and left/right margins. But each line is *not* a paragraph. Each

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Tue, 22 May 2007, Blake Haswell wrote: I think there are only two really appropriate ways to mark-up poetry. Using pre tags, or using paragraphs to mark-up the stanza's and the br tag to show line-breaks. Possibly using an OL to mark it up as an ordered list, but that's only an option if

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread ianm
On Tue, 22 May 2007, Blake Haswell wrote: I think there are only two really appropriate ways to mark-up poetry. Using pre tags, or using paragraphs to mark-up the stanza's and the br tag to show line-breaks. Possibly using an OL to mark it up as an ordered list, but that's only an option if

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread Francesco Rizzi
On 5/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 22 May 2007, Blake Haswell wrote: Of course, in XHTML 2.0, they will be doing away with the br / tag. Don't count this as a victory. They're replacing it with the lineThe quick brown .../line syntax. So, clearly, the W3C

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread david
Jukka K. Korpela wrote: On Mon, 21 May 2007, david wrote: Why would you need to do all that? You just put your inline quotation or program code in its own paragraph and adjust your margins that way. Why would you need to use :before or :after pseudo-elements at all? If I have, say, a text

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread david
Jukka K. Korpela wrote: On Mon, 21 May 2007, david wrote: Update: after posting that, I saw someone else mention song lyrics or poetry. Being a writer of both, all I can say is - that each line is easily handled as a separate paragraph, with CSS controlling line spacing and left/right

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread david
Blake Haswell wrote: david wrote: Update: after posting that, I saw someone else mention song lyrics or poetry. Being a writer of both, all I can say is - that each line is easily handled as a separate paragraph, with CSS controlling line spacing and left/right margins. But each line is

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-21 Thread Bob Easton
Francesco Rizzi wrote: So, my question for the list is: why should we use css rules in this scenario instead of br tags ? Let's call it separating content (HTML) from presentation (CSS). Use technologies for their intended, and standards compliant, purposes. Use 1) Use HTML for well

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-21 Thread Richard Grevers
On 5/21/07, Bob Easton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Francesco Rizzi wrote: So, my question for the list is: why should we use css rules in this scenario instead of br tags ? Let's call it separating content (HTML) from presentation (CSS). Use technologies for their intended, and standards

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-21 Thread Blake Haswell
br and br / have no semantic value. Those are presentational markup that should never have been in HTML. I disagree. In terms of song lyrics, poetry, and sometimes even mailing addresses I generally think that br is a perfectly acceptable solution that *does* have semantic value and fulfils

[css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-19 Thread Francesco Rizzi
Consider an hypothetical situation: the project requirements call for some vertical space between a certain element on your web page (picture an horizontal line, like an hr), and a second element (picture a textbox). There's many ways you can achieve this effect. My instinct would be to give the

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-19 Thread Reed Underwood
On 5/19/07, Francesco Rizzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consider an hypothetical situation: the project requirements call for some vertical space between a certain element on your web page (picture an horizontal line, like an hr), and a second element (picture a textbox). There's many ways you

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-19 Thread Ernie Finlay
If you don't want to use CSS,why not add several br / to get the space you require.? From: Francesco Rizzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 22:05:33 -0400 Consider an hypothetical situation