Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-19 Thread Richard Grevers
rhetoric value=2 cents Am I missing something here? Many posters to this list (and I'm not implying that Zoe is one of them) seem to get rather upset when floats drop in narrow windows, and I simply don't get that. The fact that floats can drop when there's not enough room to do justice to several

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Richard Grevers wrote: rhetoric value=2 cents [...] The fact that floats can drop when there's not enough room to do justice to several columns is a primary reason to use floats - its why they are better than tables. [...] /rhetoric I agree (strangely enough :-) ). The problem is that

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-19 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Richard Grevers wrote: rhetoric value=2 cents Am I missing something here? Many posters to this list (and I'm not implying that Zoe is one of them) seem to get rather upset when floats drop in narrow windows, and I simply don't get that. The fact that floats can drop when there's not enough

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-19 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
~davidLaakso wrote: Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: I have moved leftcolumn into the bottom of contentwrapper, but the source-order is otherwise the same and nothing is added or subtracted... http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/Zoe/test_2882.html ...so, maybe it'll do. It

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-16 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: On Feb 15, 2007, at 12:39 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: I have moved leftcolumn into the bottom of contentwrapper, but the source-order is otherwise the same and nothing is added or subtracted...

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-16 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: I have moved leftcolumn into the bottom of contentwrapper, but the source-order is otherwise the same and nothing is added or subtracted... http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/Zoe/test_2882.html ...so, maybe it'll do. It is possible to turn this into a robust 3 column with

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-16 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: http://www.pixelsurge.com/experiment/negative_margins_4.html Seems to work fine in FF 2, IE 7, IE 6, and Opera 9. Am I missing something? Not really, apart from my wish for _some_ table-like robustness. David pointed out one weakness (in his usual disorderly manner

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-15 Thread Ingo Chao
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: ... For the large image (applies to IE6 on narrow windows) I wrap the image in a box: .img {margin:0 -200px 0 0; position:relative; height:0;} /* right margin equivalent to size of sidebar */ Very nice and handy. A wrapper that prevents the column wrapper from

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-15 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: Speaking of being proven wrong ;-), Georg, do you have an index on your site indicating what each of your layout pages is demonstrating? Have I done something wrong..? :-) No, you're just much, much smarter in CSS than I am, so

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-15 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: On Feb 15, 2007, at 12:39 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: I have moved leftcolumn into the bottom of contentwrapper, but the source-order is otherwise the same and nothing is added or subtracted... http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/Zoe/test_2882.html ...so, maybe

[css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-14 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
I've been playing around with various negative margin layout techniques this afternoon, not because I don't like the one I typically use but because I like to see what else is out there every once in a while. I found a negative margin technique that differed from both my method and the famous

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: Speaking of being proven wrong ;-), Georg, do you have an index on your site indicating what each of your layout pages is demonstrating? Have I done something wrong..? :-) No, I have no index for those demo/test pages. That's my public playground and I thought each

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: http://www.pixelsurge.com/experiment/negative_margins_3-dd.html What I'm interested in, then, is not why it happens but if there is any way to stop it (short of using overflow: hidden, which obviously works but kills the needed scrollbars). Ok. Scrollbars intact,

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: http://www.pixelsurge.com/experiment/negative_margins_3-dd.html What I'm interested in, then, is not why it happens but if there is any way to stop it (short of using overflow: hidden, which obviously works but kills the needed scrollbars). One more, with

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-14 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Feb 15, 2007, at 12:39 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: I have moved leftcolumn into the bottom of contentwrapper, but the source-order is otherwise the same and nothing is added or subtracted... http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/Zoe/test_2882.html ...so, maybe it'll do. How is IE7 doing,

[css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-14 Thread ~davidLaakso
http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/Zoe/test_2882.html How is IE7 doing, btw? (I really dislike blind hacking.) regards Georg Doing fine in a 620 window at text-size largest xp :: ie/7.0. ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/