Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-19 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
~davidLaakso wrote: > Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: >> Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: >> >>> I have moved leftcolumn into the bottom of contentwrapper, but the >>> source-order is otherwise the same and nothing is added or >>> subtracted... >>> >>> ...so,

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-19 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Richard Grevers wrote: > > Am I missing something here? Many posters to this list (and I'm not > implying that Zoe is one of them) seem to get rather upset when floats > drop in narrow windows, and I simply don't get that. The fact that > floats can drop when there's not enough room to do justice

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Richard Grevers wrote: > [...] > The fact that floats can drop when there's not enough room to do > justice to several columns is a primary reason to use floats - its > why they are better than tables. [...] > I agree (strangely enough :-) ). The problem is that there's no uniformity across br

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-19 Thread Richard Grevers
Am I missing something here? Many posters to this list (and I'm not implying that Zoe is one of them) seem to get rather upset when floats drop in narrow windows, and I simply don't get that. The fact that floats can drop when there's not enough room to do justice to several columns is a primary r

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-16 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: > http://www.pixelsurge.com/experiment/negative_margins_4.html > > Seems to work fine in FF 2, IE 7, IE 6, and Opera 9. Am I missing > something? Not really, apart from my wish for _some_ "table-like" robustness. David pointed out one weakness (in his usual disorderly m

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-16 Thread ~davidLaakso
Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: > Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: > >> I have moved leftcolumn into the bottom of contentwrapper, but the >> source-order is otherwise the same and nothing is added or subtracted... >> >> ...so, maybe it'll do. >> >> It is poss

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-16 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: > I have moved leftcolumn into the bottom of contentwrapper, but the > source-order is otherwise the same and nothing is added or subtracted... > > ...so, maybe it'll do. > > It is possible to turn this into a robust 3 colum

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-16 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: > Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: > >> On Feb 15, 2007, at 12:39 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: >> >> >>> I have moved leftcolumn into the bottom of contentwrapper, but the >>> source-order is otherwise the same and nothing is added or >>> subtracted... >>>

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-15 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: > On Feb 15, 2007, at 12:39 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: > >> I have moved leftcolumn into the bottom of contentwrapper, but the >> source-order is otherwise the same and nothing is added or >> subtracted... >> >> ..

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-15 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: > Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: > > >> Speaking of being proven wrong ;-), Georg, do you have an index on >> your site indicating what each of your layout pages is demonstrating? >> > > Have I done something wrong..? :-) > No, you're just much, much smarter in CSS tha

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-15 Thread Ingo Chao
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: > ... > For the large image (applies to IE6 on narrow windows) I wrap the > image in a box: > .img {margin:0 -200px 0 0; position:relative; height:0;} > /* right margin equivalent to size of sidebar */ Very nice and handy. A wrapper that prevents the column wrapper fr

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-14 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Feb 15, 2007, at 12:39 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: > I have moved leftcolumn into the bottom of contentwrapper, but the > source-order is otherwise the same and nothing is added or > subtracted... > > ...so, maybe it'll do. > > How is IE7 do

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: >> http://www.pixelsurge.com/experiment/negative_margins_3-dd.html >> What I'm interested in, then, is not why it happens but if there is >> any way to stop it (short of using overflow: hidden, which >> obviously works but kills the needed scrollbars). One more, with

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: > http://www.pixelsurge.com/experiment/negative_margins_3-dd.html > What I'm interested in, then, is not why it happens but if there is > any way to stop it (short of using overflow: hidden, which obviously > works but kills the needed scrollbars). Ok. Scrollbars intact,

Re: [css-d] negative margined sidebar moving when window narrowed in IE

2007-02-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: > Speaking of being proven wrong ;-), Georg, do you have an index on > your site indicating what each of your layout pages is demonstrating? Have I done something wrong..? :-) No, I have no index for those demo/test pages. That's my public playground and I thought each