I've had some people moaning about the number of messages.
This is largely IG's fault.
There is a simple solution, I can put you on digest
and you get one or two messages a day instead of 20-odd.
Let me know if you are interested.
BTW, if you reply to a digest message be sure to be clear
what
And here's something else from the SM website:
PRESSRELEASE
October 2000
Swiss Ammunition Enterprise Corp wins Handgrenade Contract
with UK Ministry of Defence's (MOD) Defence Procurement
Agency (DPA),
After several years of evaluation SM Swiss Ammunition
Enterprise Corp. In Thun, Switzerland was
For whomever it was who was disagreeing with me about
SM, the Swiss ammo makers, making 80gr .223, it's
on their website, www.swissmun.com Looks like it's
loaded with the 80gr Sierra Matchking from the
description.
Steve.
Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org
List admin: [EMAIL
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Heres a new thread.
On looking around the various sites devoted to shooting sports, ie BASC,
Cybershooters, Sportsmans Association, NGO, whatever, it is obvious that all
of them invite comment from their memberships that is visible in a public
forum,
When those c
From: "roger gascoigne", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is the fourth country I have lived in and owned firearms. I see many
differences between the US and the UK and would like to comment on Nick's
mail.
The data is not yet out regarding the 2000 census, but as an example, one of
the News Channels he
From: "N. L. Cobb", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Regarding the ongoing Cybershooters discussion concerning
the cultural differences between the UK and the US
(regarding firearms possession) the below article may
offer Britons some further knowledge of the American point
of view. While it does not deal p
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am concerned that our friend in blue, IG, is becoming slightly jumpy. I
didn't imply, old chum, that 458 Win Mag (picky!) is a viable self-defence
round - unless it was for shooting a burglar's getaway vehicle, 'cos I dare
say it would penetrate an engine block - I
From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>If people really want their handguns back, (me included), then the self
>defence argument is a non starter.
>If the arguments for sporting shooting arent effective, the right to carry
>for self defence is never going to materialise.
---snip---
>I
From: "Clive A. Marshall-Purves", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
STOP PRESS
Robert Key MP for Salisbury is holding a vote on his web site on foxhunting.
Can you spread the word on this and get everyone to vote. Web address
http://www.robertkey.com/rk-voting/
IF YOU CAN SEND IT ON TO OTHERS ALL THE BET
From: RustyBullethole, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Telegraph 23.11.00
Huntsmen face criminal curbs
By Charles Clover, Environment Editor
HUNTSMEN, including masters of hounds, landowners and hunt
officials, are to be treated as members of criminal
organisations under the Government's Hunting Bill
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I can just about wear the argument that there MIGHT be some people who could
make out a case for carrying a firearm for protection. I am not too sure
what the circumstances might be, but if that was the case, I would consider
that various things would need to be ap
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Oh, and how come Holland has never had a single death attributable to E?
I think both Holland and Switzerland have schemes where
you can actually test the E you have bought. From what
I've read the majority of the serious physical effects of
drugs are cuased throug
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sorry ET, but I'm convinced the libertarian view is this instance
> is complete nonsense, because of what I said previously about
> economics. Heroin is already inexpensive so it hardly matters
> about where the supply comes from, the only way to stop the
> supply is
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I would
> support target shooters, but would never support those who want to own fully
> auto's.
Which is the reason we won't be shooting at all in a few
years time, fragmentation. You have to support it all or
you won't get any.
Jonathan Laws
Cybershooters webs
From: "Tony Jeeves", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Not all guns carried in the US for self defence are for defence against
human predators.
I have a friend who lives in the rugged foothills of the Rocky Mountains in
Utah. After a neighbour had been subjected to a painfiul course of
injections following be
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<<>>
Naivety in the extreme.
Have you ever seen the results of drug taking?
I suppose the 47 people that have died as a result of Heroin overdoses this
year in one small town near where I live are the result of proscription?
Are you seriously, with a straight face
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why did I just know that people would jump on this example and start tearing
it to bits because they didnt understand what it was about or what the point
was in quoting it?
Sigh.
Oh well, at least its reassuring to know that everyone keeps ther fire
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<<>>
Presumably he makes them for novelty value. I personally wouldn't fancy
shooting top loaded .458's out of a revolver!
(Wouldnt mind watching someone else do it tho)
I bet he doesnt sell many!
Can anyone think of a use for a .458 win mag revolver?
IG
--
Well
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<>
I apologise for not answering your point, I must have missed it by accident.
If a person was placed in such a position whereby he saved his own or
anothers life by using a legally held firearm, and did so under
circumstances that fell within the law, i.e. as m
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
:::Fair enough but would you apply this logic to other objects that, if
misused,
could severly endanger the public. For instance motor vehicles or
matches?
Yes, certainly.
There are some people that shouldnt be allowed anywhere near either of the
abov
One of our list subscribers has contracted a virus and
it is likely that some of you are on his subscriber list.
It uses an old email subject line so it looks like a
genunine email. It is blank with an attachment called
HANSON.SCR
I have no idea what it does but a fair guess is that
at a minimu
From: SADW, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't think there is any doubt that, for handguns at least, personal
protection - whether at home or on the road - remains the No 1 reason for
purchase in the USA. Likewise for many shotguns. CCW holders are to a large
extent still driving the handgun market.
From: "Peter Webb", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
When I'm feeling rude, I like to suggest that the real reason that Americans
invented Gridiron was that they couldn't beat the English at Rugby (Either
league or union) I suspect that Baseball has the same relationship to
cricket.
But yes,,, Australia
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So the answer to your question is yes, I'd be "happy" for this guy
to own
guns, if I was secure in the knowledge that he was hugely outnumbered by
ordinary - but armed - citizens, a situation that used to obtain in this
country pre-WW1 but which is now reve
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<<<>
I make no apologies for being unpleasant to an American who tries to impose
his values on my country.
He tries to tell us that firearms are only of any use for self defence. That
if they cant be used for this they might as well be banned because they are
From: "Tim Jeffreys", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I saw that programme; most interesting:
When asked why she had not allowed the antis a word in at the hare coursing,
the producer said they had planned to, but some of the protesters had
started shouting "one fat lady dead, one to go", so they didn't appr
From: "Tim Jeffreys", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>If you lawfully hold a firearm for, say, shooting deer, there is absolutely
nothing wrong in using it for self defence in the home PROVIDED that:
It is the minimum force required in the circumstances.
It is proportional to the perception of the threat at
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<<<..
What earthly use is a .458 Win Mag (presumably thats what you mean) got to
do with self defence?
I assume that you agree with our American correspondent who tells us that if
its not for self defence, its a dangerous toy?
However, if you are goi
From: "Stone.s451", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> If you lawfully hold a firearm for, say, shooting deer, there is absolutely
> nothing wrong in using it for self defence in the home PROVIDED that:
> It is the minimum force required in the circumstances.
> It is proportional to the perception of the thre
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Though this has cropped up before on the list, the death of the trial judge,
Sir David Croom-Johnson, produced an interesting obituary in the Telegraph.
Extract:
<<...Waldorf had been a passenger in a mini travelling along a street in
Earl's Court when he was mistaken
From: "alellis", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<>
I understood the term was reasonable force.
al
--
It is and the ECHR have criticised that law, BTW.
Steve.
Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org
List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
___
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Picture a British subject walking down the street and witnessing
> a horrible accident. He rushes over and tries bravely to try
> and free the victim before the car bursts into flame. A stout
> knife would enable him to cut the seat belt but he has none.
> Another
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I said if you are *away* from private property. I know you
> can have whatever you want in your own home as long as
> it's legal to possess it, but you can't carry anything in a
> public place that is about your person for the specific
> purpose of defence. This be
From: "John Daragon", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I said :
<<>>
"IG" replied
"No, we didnt have raves, AIDS, a simmering culture of violence and many
other things either.
It is beyond belief that anyone can even think about legalising, or even
decriminalising class A drugs. I can only think that they
From: John Howat, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wellington 28th November 2000.
All shooting has been suspended on the historic Trentham
Range complex near Wellington New Zealand. Although the
suspension is due to come into effect on 1st December it is
essentially effective from today as there are no booki
From: Brian Galbraith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> I equally couldnt give a damn about the self defence argument. I would
> support target shooters, but would never support those who want to own
> fully
> auto's.
> See?
>IG
It's a matter of public perception. Shooters in the UK have been
deliberatel
From: Mike Taylor, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>It may or may not be a good example, but that is neither here nor there.
>It's met with a deafening silence by the people who advocate NO controls,
>even if you personally are not one of them.
>Not one response has been made to this by those advocates!
>
St
From: "Richard Loweth", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How do we prove the theory that the reason people "bear left" because of it
being the "shield side" of the body? By means of the Sherlock Homes
methodonce you have eliminated all other possibilities, that which
remains, however improbable, can be th
From: "David Rovardi", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Drugs
E safer than heroin, I don't think so. E was developed as an
antipsycotic drug (eg to treat schizophrenics). It is not safe,
even the government can't get the warnings right. Drink lots of
water while you take it, its the overheating that kills yo
From: "N. L. Cobb", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
United Airlines Employee Sentenced for Theft of U.S. Mail And
Sale Of Stolen Guns, Reports U.S. Attorney
BOSTON, Nov. 16 /PRNewswire/ -- A United Airlines employee
was sentenced today in federal court for stealing U.S. mail from Logan
Airport and later sel
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IG wrote:
Doesnt alter my own opinion that there are some people who should not be
allowed near to any form of weapon, even though they have not been convicted
of any offence.
So there.
Fair enough but would you apply this logic to other objects that, if misused,
could
From: "Peter Webb", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I find it interesting to read some of David Kopel's earlier work in which he
notes that effective crime control, or at least low rates of violent crime,
had very little to do with the levels of gun-control legislation or the
level of gun-ownership in the co
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