Re: why worry?

2000-02-19 Thread Daniel J. Boone
Some days ago, Harmon Seaver wrote: > >Megacorp are every bit as evil as governments are. The destruction > >of the state and multinational corps go hand-in-hand. In fact, they > >probably are even more evil -- and certainly more efficient in their evil. And Duncan Frissell replied: > Governme

RE: why worry?

2000-02-19 Thread Peter Capelli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > It's silly to rant about corporations. Anything bad that they can > do, governments do more often and with a bigger body count. If > you snip the > weed at its roots, the leaves will wither away. > Interestinglly enough, the wall st

Re: Clinton & Gore Vow To Fight The Establishment On Crypto(YeahRight)

2000-02-19 Thread Lizard
At 7:25 PM -0800 2/18/00, Colin A. Reed wrote: >So Phil and Liz can say the say the same thing (all people are pretty >much the same) and come to opposite conclusions (trust the feds because >you trust your neighbors vs. don't trust your neighbors because you >wouldn't trust the feds). Actually

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MS Funded/Founded by NSA?

2000-02-19 Thread John Young
A French intelligence report alleges that Microsoft was set up with NSA funding and that NSA imposed MS-DOS on IBM, and also alleges that NSA agents are now working at Microsoft: http://cryptome.org/nsa-ms-spy.htm The full confidential report has not been published and these allegations are

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Re: Clinton & Gore Vow To Fight The Establishment On Crypto

2000-02-19 Thread David Honig
At 12:19 PM 2/19/00 -0500, Lizard wrote: >Well, that's it in a nutshell. Phil thinks people are basically good, >so as long as government is 'democratic' (and thus reflects the will >of the 'good' majority) it can have untrammeled power. I believe >people are basically scum, and thus can't be

RE: FCF's Dean Lauds Congressional Privacy Caucus

2000-02-19 Thread Bill Stewart
At 08:10 AM 02/15/2000 -0500, David Honig wrote: >At 07:02 AM 2/14/00 -0500, Duncan Frissell wrote: >> DNA sniffers can likewise be >>defeated by giving off a "soup" of multi source DNA replicants. > >So, do cypherpunks put locks of hair into a bowl and then >distribute mixes? Or are there fr

Re: MS Funded/Founded by NSA?

2000-02-19 Thread Matthew Gaylor
John Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is that old news or new, or merely a French counterattack >on Echelon-like espionage? [Note from Matthew Gaylor: Nearly every security expert I know won't use Windows on their personal machines. Everyone is aware of the security issues that arise with

Re: MS Funded/Founded by NSA?

2000-02-19 Thread Tim May
At 12:26 PM -0800 2/19/00, John Young wrote: >A French intelligence report alleges that Microsoft was >set up with NSA funding and that NSA imposed MS-DOS >on IBM, and also alleges that NSA agents are now working >at Microsoft: > > http://cryptome.org/nsa-ms-spy.htm > >The full confidential rep

Re: Clinton & Gore Vow To Fight The Establishment On Crypto(YeahRight)

2000-02-19 Thread Matthew Gaylor
Phillip Hallam-Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in reference to Lizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >Your paranoia is getting the better of you. > >Most people who work for governments are ordinary people and not the >facist thugs of your bizare fantasies. First let's clear the air by saying that Philli

Re: MS Funded/Founded by NSA?

2000-02-19 Thread John Young
Very well, your rebuttal would be an informative addition to the file, if you don't object. To pick up on a couple of your points: There should be a sustained burst of activity from Europe on the Echelon affair as EuroParl deliberates on it, guided by the four 1999 Echelon reports prepared by

Re: MS Funded/Founded by NSA?

2000-02-19 Thread Tim May
At 5:58 PM -0800 2/19/00, John Young wrote: >Very well, your rebuttal would be an informative addition >to the file, if you don't object. > > >Wayne Madsen is quoted today in Canada's National Post that >the EU hearings are a joke. That all nations spy on each other >and only a fool thinks other

Re: MS Funded/Founded by NSA?

2000-02-19 Thread John Young
This list is the first place I heard of Echelon, and a lot of other things, from crypto to TEMPEST and more. Maybe it's not at the moment at its peak level on politico-technology, but nuggets continue to appear, particularly those which provide a densepack of information dressed up with enligh

Re: MS Funded/Founded by NSA?

2000-02-19 Thread Tim May
At 6:55 PM -0800 2/19/00, John Young wrote: >This list is the first place I heard of Echelon, and a lot of other >things, from crypto to TEMPEST and more. Maybe it's not at >the moment at its peak level on politico-technology, but nuggets >continue to appear, particularly those which provide a de

Re: MS Funded/Founded by NSA?

2000-02-19 Thread Tim May
At 6:55 PM -0800 2/19/00, John Young wrote: >This list is the first place I heard of Echelon, and a lot of other >things, from crypto to TEMPEST and more. Maybe it's not at >the moment at its peak level on politico-technology, but nuggets >continue to appear, particularly those which provide a de

Re: MS Funded/Founded by NSA?

2000-02-19 Thread John Young
Tim May wrote: >Cryptome site (and sites that preceeded this exact >name). Wah, I didn't know that. I'd like to credit those. Indeed, giving credit is what keeps Cryptome going, for nearly all of it comes from contributions by others, especially Cypherpunks and its offshoots and graduates. I

List Archives on CD-ROM?

2000-02-19 Thread Tim May
At 7:59 PM -0800 2/19/00, John Young wrote: >Tim May wrote: > >>Cryptome site (and sites that preceeded this exact >>name). > >Wah, I didn't know that. I'd like to credit those. Indeed, giving >credit is what keeps Cryptome going, for nearly all of it comes >from contributions by others, especial

Re: Clinton & Gore Vow To Fight The Establishment On Crypto(YeahRight)

2000-02-19 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
Nope, I look at what life was like without governments - nasty, brutish and short. We both agree that bad governments can do a lot of evil, even in democratic countries. Richard Nixon being a prime example, committing acts of treason at home and committing war crimes abroad. Governments are goi

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nixon's enemies list

2000-02-19 Thread KJSBIKE
Came across your e-mail address in random search for my name-Kenneth J. Schwartz- on the list of political enemies of Richard M. Nixon. If you can help with that search, I would be most appreciative. Thank you.

RE: trolling idiots

2000-02-19 Thread codelogic
i know this is offtopic, however... isn't it ironic that "Troll" mispells "mispelling" and "conjugation" in his sentence? *snicker* -clogic -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Reese Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 6:54 AM To: irit dolev; [E

Re:FROG REMAILER (fwd)

2000-02-19 Thread Missouri FreeNet Administration
This was forwarded to me and I thought many of you would be interested as well.If correct (this is UNVERIFIED), it appears that the FROG remailer is not very annonymous at all. Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If Governments really want us to behave like civilized hum

Gravity Can Be Challenged!

2000-02-19 Thread jcooksey
Gravity is like a river, and planets are like dips in the plane of space. Therefore, gravity, like water, takes the path of least resistance. So, you can build a canoe to navigate water, than you can build a simple device to navigate gravity. Just shape it right and it will float! Let me kn

Re: Clinton Gore Vow To Fight The Establishment On Crypto(YeahRight)

2000-02-19 Thread BPM Mixmaster Remailer
>Your paranoia is getting the better of you. Your imbecillity is touching. That is the bright side. The dark side is that majority (>50%) of posters on crypto related forums (including usenet) seem to be either thoroughly brainwashed "good americans" or government stooges. I do hope its the lat

Re:

2000-02-19 Thread Tim May
At 3:02 PM -0800 2/19/00, James Smith wrote: > I NEED A NUMBER 1-800-555-CLUE --Tim May, who notes that the list is now utterly dominated by spam, clueless queries, and puerile social justice rants -:-:-:-:-:-:-: Timothy C.

Re: Gravity Can Be Challenged!

2000-02-19 Thread Username
>>Gravity is like a river first mistake the renders the rest invalid the way you're seeing a river is as a warped 2d object, and floating on it is through the use of a 3d now gravity is a warped 3d object, so floating on it would be only accomplished by a 4d object, so after research is done i

Re: Gravity Can Be Challenged!

2000-02-19 Thread DHB
4D? That possible? - Original Message - From: "Username" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 3:33 PM Subject: Re: Gravity Can Be Challenged! > >>Gravity is like a river > > first mistake the renders the rest invalid > > the way you're seeing a ri

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