Re: The Death of the Cypherpunks

2000-04-12 Thread Alan Olsen
At 08:38 PM 4/12/00 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: >At 15:07 4/12/2000 -0700, Tim May wrote: >>First, we have seen a lot of political junk discussion here lately, about >>the tired subjects of socialism, Microsoft, Nazis, and (presumably) even >>Heinlein. >> >>Second, code is indeed preferable t

Re: The Death of the Cypherpunks

2000-04-12 Thread Declan McCullagh
At 22:29 4/12/2000 -0400, dmolnar wrote: >I'm also interested in your comment that contract law may be sufficient to >combat this problem. Garfinkle raises and then dismisses the idea of >considering personal information as "property", and then developing the >notion of rights and contract which w

Re: The Death of the Cypherpunks

2000-04-12 Thread Mac Norton
Aren't all phenomena such as this list cyclical? I feel a bit as if I'm listening to Robespierre and Lenin talking about how the Revolution got out of hand and how everything kind of went to hell after the Bastille or the Finland Station. Nevertheless, it's the most interesting conversation we'v

Re: The Death of the Cypherpunks

2000-04-12 Thread Tim May
At 10:29 PM -0400 4/12/00, dmolnar wrote: >On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote: > >> Simson is a smart fellow, and a friend. But he does believe in aggressive >> federal regulation of private sector data collection practices. > >Indeed. That is why I mentioned him in response to your not

Re: The Death of the Cypherpunks

2000-04-12 Thread Tim May
At 8:38 PM -0400 4/12/00, Declan McCullagh wrote: >At 15:07 4/12/2000 -0700, Tim May wrote: >>First, we have seen a lot of political junk discussion here lately, >>about the tired subjects of socialism, Microsoft, Nazis, and >>(presumably) even Heinlein. >> >>Second, code is indeed preferable to

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Re: The Death of the Cypherpunks

2000-04-12 Thread dmolnar
On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote: > Simson is a smart fellow, and a friend. But he does believe in aggressive > federal regulation of private sector data collection practices. Indeed. That is why I mentioned him in response to your note that data collection is an area which seems

Re: The Death of the Cypherpunks

2000-04-12 Thread Declan McCullagh
Simson is a smart fellow, and a friend. But he does believe in aggressive federal regulation of private sector data collection practices. I fear (and I should write this if I ever get around to reviewing his book) that he focuses too much on that area, and not enough on governmental intrusions

Re: The Death of the Cypherpunks

2000-04-12 Thread dmolnar
On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote: > And now much of the focus is on corporate misbehavior, such as Doubleclick. > At last week's CFP conference, everyone was nattering about how Big Brother > is the corporation, or employer, or credit bureau, something that FWIW, this is also see

The Death of the Cypherpunks

2000-04-12 Thread Declan McCullagh
At 15:07 4/12/2000 -0700, Tim May wrote: >First, we have seen a lot of political junk discussion here lately, about >the tired subjects of socialism, Microsoft, Nazis, and (presumably) even >Heinlein. > >Second, code is indeed preferable to rhetoric. Right. Cypherpunks has turned into a spam li

Re: Re: Crypto-Anarchy/Anarcho-Capitalist Errors in Understanding

2000-04-12 Thread John Young
Jim, Your understated messages, following quotes of those by Declan McCullagh and Tim May, are the best ever, I think. I am dumbfounded by their profundity, subtlety, eloquence, impenetrability, clarity, wit, generosity, amazing gracefulness. How do you do it? The purity of an unmarked canvas.

Re: WSJ: Who will issue digital IDs...

2000-04-12 Thread Tim May
First, we have seen a lot of political junk discussion here lately, about the tired subjects of socialism, Microsoft, Nazis, and (presumably) even Heinlein. Second, code is indeed preferable to rhetoric. However, importantly, it is clear from recent discussions on the list and from at least

Re: Net Libel

2000-04-12 Thread Eric Cordian
steve mynott writes: > "I'm a racist. I would say they're a clever race. I would say that as a > race they are better at making money than I am. That's a racist > remark. But they appear to be better at making money than I am. If I > was going to be crude, I would say not only are they better

WSJ: Who will issue digital IDs...

2000-04-12 Thread cypherpunks
(Subscription required) http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB954726834832952362.htm April 3, 2000 E-Commerce Growth Pushes The Adoption of Digital IDs CAN YOU PROVE you are who you say you are? In the real world, you might flash a driver's license, or a passport, or even offer up your finger

Re: Net Libel

2000-04-12 Thread Steve Mynott
On Tue, Apr 11, 2000 at 10:58:38PM -0700, Eric Cordian wrote: > Much of the "evidence" used to paint Irving as a "Nazi" consisted of > meticulous documentation of virtually every word he uttered since being > targeted for deconstruction after the Zundel trial, the fact that after > being attacke

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2000-04-12 Thread lzapotoc
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Enonymous.com's privacy ratings include errors, oversights

2000-04-12 Thread Declan McCullagh
* http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,35587,00.html Odd Privacy Ratings Exposed by Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 3:00 a.m. Apr. 12, 2000 PDT Marc Rotenberg is nothing if not a privacy zealot. As the founder of the Electronic Privacy Information Center,

Re: The One True Holocaust

2000-04-12 Thread Colin Rafferty
Eric Cordian writes: > Colin writes: >> I'm sure his number is smaller than 5,999,999. > Perhaps it is. As I understand it, the major quibble is not over the > number of Jews killed, but the degree to which industrial scale gas > chamber executions contributed to the total. Well, I don't actua

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Re: Re: Re: Crypto-Anarchy/Anarcho-Capitalist Errors in Understanding

2000-04-12 Thread Tom Vogt
david wrote: > On this web site: http://www2.hawaii.edu/~rummel/20TH.HTM Professor R.J. > Rummel documents how governments killed 170 million civilians between 1900 > and 1987. I believe that outscores monopolies by several orders of magnitude. right, but that's mostly because in 1900 there was

[FYI] NL: Intelligence agency authorized to scan satellite communications

2000-04-12 Thread Bill Stewart
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