Re: Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-03-05 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Jim Burnes wrote: > Apparently we have different definitions of 'protection' running > around here. Active vs. passive protection I suppose in your > world. I live in the same world you do. I make no distinction between active and passive. The reality is the SC said that i

RE: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-03-05 Thread Jay Holovacs
At 11:23 AM 3/3/2000 -0500, Peter Capelli wrote: > > They were *not* uniformed police. It was four white guys, piling >out of a car, guns drawn, at 12:30am, advancing on this guy standing >on his *own* front porch. What would go through your mind? > > I find it very had to believe t

Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-03-05 Thread Tim May
At 3:44 AM -0800 3/5/00, Petro wrote: >> >>And the four cops were of course not dressed as cops...they were part of >>the "Street Crimes Unit," meaning they were supposed to blend in by looking >>like street thugs. >> >>What Yabba.. thought was going down when four white guys started yelling at >

Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-03-05 Thread Petro
>Sunder writes: >> Any jurisdiction that considers pupming 41 pieces of lead in a man that >> refuses to talk to four predatory bastards isn't by any stretch of the >> immagination free. > >The number of bullets is not the issue. As has been discussed here >before, any firefight involving multi

Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-03-05 Thread Petro
> >And the four cops were of course not dressed as cops...they were part of >the "Street Crimes Unit," meaning they were supposed to blend in by looking >like street thugs. > >What Yabba.. thought was going down when four white guys started yelling at >him will forever be unknown to us. > >I kno

RE: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-03-03 Thread Peter Capelli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > >>> Police Officers wear a uniform to provide a _visible_ presence, > >>> that very presence being a deterrant to the criminally minded > >>> in society. Those 4 were in some other category and should not > >>> have been doing flatfoot work. > >

Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-03-02 Thread Bill Stewart
>> > Wrong, police are here to serve and protect. They protect by enforcing >> > laws. They serve by following the tenets of a democratic government as >> > outlined in our Constitution. >> No lesser than the Supreme Court says you are wrong. I don't have the >> decision details on me, but the S

Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-03-02 Thread Bill Stewart
>>> Police Officers wear a uniform to provide a _visible_ presence, that very >>> presence being a deterrant to the criminally minded in society. Those 4 >>> were in some other category and should not have been doing flatfoot work. It hadn't been obvious from the press that they weren't uniform

Re: Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-03-02 Thread Sunder
Jim Burnes wrote: > > > Wrong, police are here to serve and protect. They protect by enforcing > > laws. They serve by following the tenets of a democratic government as > > outlined in our Constitution. > > > > No lesser than the Supreme Court says you are wrong. I don't have the > decision d

Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-03-01 Thread Jim Burnes
Jim Choate wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Jim Burnes wrote: > > > Jim Choate wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > Wrong. The police are here to enforce laws and arrest people. They have > > > > no legal obligation to protect. It'd be nice if it really

Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-03-01 Thread Jim Burnes
Jim Choate wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Wrong. The police are here to enforce laws and arrest people. They have > > no legal obligation to protect. It'd be nice if it really were that way, > > but it isn't. > > Wrong, police are here to serve and protect. The

Re: Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-03-01 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Jim Burnes wrote: > Jim Choate wrote: > > > > On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Wrong. The police are here to enforce laws and arrest people. They have > > > no legal obligation to protect. It'd be nice if it really were that way, > > > but it isn't.

Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-03-01 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Wrong. The police are here to enforce laws and arrest people. They have > no legal obligation to protect. It'd be nice if it really were that way, > but it isn't. Wrong, police are here to serve and protect. They protect by enforcing laws. They

Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-03-01 Thread phelix
On 1 Mar 2000 06:26:12 -0600, Sunder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Reese wrote: >> > >> >Actually, there's no evidence that Yabbadabbadoo Diallo "refused to talk" >> ^ >> Was that really necessary? Why not just "Diallo?" > >IMHO Tim seems to subc

Re: Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-02-29 Thread Sunder
Reese wrote: > > >Actually, there's no evidence that Yabbadabbadoo Diallo "refused to talk" > ^ > Was that really necessary? Why not just "Diallo?" IMHO Tim seems to subconsciously need to self-defeat his point. Or wants the "PC" crowd to wail

RE: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-02-29 Thread Peter Capelli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > The number of bullets is not the issue. As has been discussed here > before, any firefight involving multiple police officers is going > to produce a lot of gunfire. Once that first bullet is fired, the > decision is made to use lethal force. At

Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-02-28 Thread Tim May
At 5:33 PM -0800 2/28/00, Reese wrote: >At 10:51 AM 2/28/00 -0800, Tim May wrote: >>Actually, there's no evidence that Yabbadabbadoo Diallo "refused to talk" >^ >Was that really necessary? Yes. You ought to take your politically correct bullshit

Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-02-28 Thread Jim Choate
On 28 Feb 2000, lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote: > The verdict in this trial was not by "our government", but by a jury of > average Americans who were presented with all the evidence. The decision > was unanimous, and the jury was racially mixed. The evidence of which was presented by 'our gove

Re: Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-02-28 Thread Sunder
lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote: > > Sunder writes: > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/diallo000225_verdict.html > > > > It just goes to further confirms my long suspicions that our government isn't > > by the people/for the people at all, but rather has fascist/communist > > tend

Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-02-28 Thread lcs Mixmaster Remailer
Sunder writes: > > http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/diallo000225_verdict.html > > It just goes to further confirms my long suspicions that our government isn't > by the people/for the people at all, but rather has fascist/communist > tendencies. The verdict in this trial was not by "

Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-02-28 Thread Tim May
At 10:19 AM -0800 2/28/00, Sunder wrote: >Peter Capelli wrote: >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> but it begs the question; what *would* a policeman have to do to get >> convicted of murder? >> >> http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/diallo000225_verdict.html > >I

Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-02-28 Thread Bill Stewart
At 07:14 PM 02/25/2000 -0500, Peter Capelli wrote: >but it begs the question; what *would* a policeman have to do to get >convicted of murder? > >http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/diallo000225_verdict.html Getting convicted by a US court's jury requires having a prosecutor convince all

Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-02-28 Thread Sunder
Peter Capelli wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > but it begs the question; what *would* a policeman have to do to get > convicted of murder? > > http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/diallo000225_verdict.html It just goes to further confirms my long suspicion

Re: Not an unexpected verdict ...

2000-02-25 Thread Tim May
At 4:14 PM -0800 2/25/00, Peter Capelli wrote: >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > >but it begs the question; what *would* a policeman have to do to get >convicted of murder? > >http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/diallo000225_verdict.html > The criminals in the inJustice D