Re: on communication - gpg's el gamal and debian's openssl

2016-09-21 Thread Georgi Guninski
On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 05:57:59PM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote: > > and to debian, who memset() what they read from /dev/random. > > Sounds like a personal issue to me... > I deny this and actually use debian. Their disclaimer cover their asses. Still criticizing publicly OS vendors for major screw

Re: [From xorcist offlist] Cloudflare & NoDAPL again w/ a ROTF

2016-09-21 Thread juan
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 04:55:03 - xorc...@sigaint.org wrote: > >> You're like autistic or something. > > > > > > Sure. And being gay is a disease that is cured with > > electroshocks and lobotomies. > > > Hit a nerve, did I? Sorry. No judgments. You hit a nerve only in a gener

Re: [From xorcist offlist] Cloudflare & NoDAPL again w/ a ROTF

2016-09-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 08:28:29AM +0300, Александр wrote: > you are not gonna succeed. There are Invincible GUARDS here on the list for Ahem. : 1) At best, holding an intention for righteousness, truth, "a better future" or whatever floats your boat, is something we can strive for. 2) No mat

Re: on communication - gpg's el gamal and debian's openssl

2016-09-21 Thread Georgi Guninski
On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 05:57:59PM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote: > > search the interwebz for references. > > TL;DR > Here are some links of the more important screwups IMHO. Suspect zero or more of (spec) backdoors, social engineering, gross incompetence: https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-a

Re: on communication - gpg's el gamal and debian's openssl

2016-09-21 Thread Steve Kinney
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/21/2016 03:56 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote: > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 05:57:59PM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote: >>> search the interwebz for references. >> >> TL;DR >> > > Here are some links of the more important screwups IMHO. Below: The kind

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-21 Thread John Newman
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 11:39 PM, Mirimir wrote: > >> On 09/20/2016 09:22 PM, Tom wrote: >> btw, I'd suggest reading Phil Plaits 'Death from the Skies!'. In this >> book he examines a couple of scenarios how the universe might end (among >> a couple other ways how we could die). Very fun read. >

Member Berries

2016-09-21 Thread skankhunt42
> xorcist: > I remember when this list had posts from Assange and others > on actual cryptographic techniques and tools, > where real information was shared. Sounds like you've been eating them member berries [0]. The episode [1] pokes at trolls and the US elections. [0]: https://www.youtube.com

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-21 Thread Georgi Guninski
On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 03:33:24PM -0400, John wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > > > On September 18, 2016 8:36:52 AM EDT, Georgi Guninski > wrote: > >The main problem is this scales upwards till infinity via arguments of > >the form "who simulates the simulator?"

Re: Even spookier entangled particles.

2016-09-21 Thread John Newman
On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 05:13:18AM +, jim bell wrote: > https://www.yahoo.com/news/entangled-particles-reveal-even-spookier-action-thought-125723794.html > > [partial quote] > Sorry, Einstein: It looks like the world is spooky ??? even when your most > famous theory is tossed out.This finding

The Cypherpunk Revolution

2016-09-21 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
http://passcode.csmonitor.com/cypherpunk * This article is an excerpt from “ Rise of the Machines : A Cybernetic History ” by Thomas Rid. sea sea :)

Cyberpunk Derivatives

2016-09-21 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
Did you already use these classifications, dear all? Never listened about some of them, uh! :P https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk_derivatives Tender kisses! :* sea sea :)

Re: [From xorcist offlist] Cloudflare & NoDAPL again w/ a ROTF

2016-09-21 Thread xorcist
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 04:55:03 - > > You hit a nerve only in a general sense. Psychiatry is a > especially vicious tool for political manipulation and > oppresion. Indeed. Religion, physics, and medicine generally, as well. Political oppressors will co-opt anything they can u

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-21 Thread John Newman
On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 02:04:25PM +0300, Georgi Guninski wrote: > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 03:33:24PM -0400, John wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > > > > > On September 18, 2016 8:36:52 AM EDT, Georgi Guninski > > wrote: > > >The main problem is this scales

Re: [From xorcist offlist] Cloudflare & NoDAPL again w/ a ROTF

2016-09-21 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
On Sep 21, 2016 2:29 AM, "Александр" wrote: > > oh oh oh... so much private information and WHAT an information we should start LAving you, xorcist. Just lAving you!!! What a holy man we got on the list... on day three he opens his hErt in front of all of us. I was lurking for a long,

Switching gears

2016-09-21 Thread xorcist
I'd like to bounce an idea around. At the outset, I'm going to say that I don't really like the idea. Like getting a root canal, I'd rather not have a some guy drilling around in my jaw, but what can you do? Some years back, maybe 8 years ago now, prior to the Snowden revelations, a Kiwi buddy and

In solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub [was: Sim Theory]

2016-09-21 Thread grarpamp
On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:15 AM, John Newman wrote: > I don't > suppose anyone has an ePub they could > shoot me? Continued secrecy of private knowledge. > Or is it worth $30 for a 1995 > paperback, maybe so... For this small price of love, you could grant it it's freedom, for everyone, forever

Re: Switching gears

2016-09-21 Thread grarpamp
Shouldn't open stream everything, as that violates privacy we seek and advocate. More interesting is to capture and motion detect it all. Camera operators moderate for innocent civilian privacy and publish footage of entities and individuals violating the privacy of others. And of course all employ

Little Brother, Re: Switching gears

2016-09-21 Thread Stephen D. Williams
That's called "Little Brother"; we (for various forms of "we") have talked about it a lot. The difference now is that it is doable in a wide range of circumstances due to bandwidth, storage, compression, cameras, and AI filtering, plus possible IoT, etc. integration. For a completely neutral ex

Re: Switching gears

2016-09-21 Thread Tom
I disagree. One cannot fight a tyranny (let's face it: a surveillance state is indeed a tyranny) this way. For example, in the EU this kind of stuff is just forbidden. And with whatever you might come up with, they'll criminalize it, 0.1% of the "offenders" will be punished and the rest of the pop

Re: Little Brother, Re: Switching gears

2016-09-21 Thread xorcist
> That's called "Little Brother"; we (for various forms of "we") have talked > about it a lot. Heh. Kinda funny. I called it "Little Sister" when I mentioned it to my buddy. Yeah, those are good points you make. A voting system that could downvote/purge irrelevant/private clips would be good. It

Re: Switching gears

2016-09-21 Thread Stephen D. Williams
I can identify with that view somewhat. What used to be the case was that people would heavily scrutinize, gossip, report, etc. what others were doing. That was a tyranny of sorts too. By having more photos, video, and social sharing of all kinds, a much wider range of life was exposed as bein

Re: Little Brother, Re: Switching gears

2016-09-21 Thread Razer
On 09/21/2016 10:30 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: > That's called "Little Brother"; we (for various forms of "we") have > talked about it a lot. The difference now is that it is doable in a > wide range of circumstances due to bandwidth, storage, compression, > cameras, and AI filtering, plus p

Re: Switching gears

2016-09-21 Thread xorcist
> I disagree. > Therefore, the one and only effective way to get back freedom is to > shutdown the tyranny. Maybe weapons are required, like in the US > independence war, maybe a massive amount of people is required, like we > east germans did in 1989. > > Anything else are illusions. Valid point

Re: Little Brother, Re: Switching gears

2016-09-21 Thread Stephen D. Williams
On 9/21/16 10:59 AM, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote: >> That's called "Little Brother"; we (for various forms of "we") have talked >> about it a lot. > Heh. Kinda funny. I called it "Little Sister" when I mentioned it to my > buddy. I like that. Perhaps the well-designed incarnation should be "Little

Re: The Cypherpunk Revolution

2016-09-21 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
Whoops! Received a cute message telling me that this link has been posted many times recently, d'oh! :P Sorry, I like German people too much and I am probably flirting with Dr. Alzheimer, but I can't remember it! ;P

[no subject]

2016-09-21 Thread Xer0Dynamite
Like Lessig's "Code is Law". LAW is also CODE: it's the Operating System for your Government. Presently: bloated and with a few design flaws. Fortunately, it's Open Source. Muhahhhwhahaaa \0x

Re: In solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub [was: Sim Theory]

2016-09-21 Thread John Newman
On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 01:07:10PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:15 AM, John Newman wrote: > For this small price of love, you could grant it it's freedom, > for everyone, forever... > > http://custodians.online/ I don't have the apparatus to scan it - and I'm not sure a use

Re:

2016-09-21 Thread Razer
On 09/21/2016 11:20 AM, Xer0Dynamite wrote: > Like Lessig's "Code is Law". LAW is also CODE: it's the Operating > System for your Government. Presently: bloated and with a few design > flaws. Fortunately, it's Open Source. Muhahhhwhahaaa > > \0x > But the hardware it runs on, the the

Re:

2016-09-21 Thread Xer0Dynamite
Show me the Law(s) that makes it so. \0x On 9/21/16, Razer wrote: > > > On 09/21/2016 11:20 AM, Xer0Dynamite wrote: >> Like Lessig's "Code is Law". LAW is also CODE: it's the Operating >> System for your Government. Presently: bloated and with a few design >> flaws. Fortunately, it's Open

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-21 Thread Steve Kinney
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/21/2016 10:36 AM, John Newman wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 02:04:25PM +0300, Georgi Guninski wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 03:33:24PM -0400, John wrote: >> For me a plausible counter example appears a late Bulgarian >> phenomenon Baba

Re: Volunteers

2016-09-21 Thread Dan White
I'll note in the headers for the forged message: Received: from pglaf.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.pglaf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q3dJbRQr1ULg for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 03:57:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Greylist: delayed 905 seconds by postgrey-1.34

Re: Volunteers

2016-09-21 Thread juan
John, Dan, thanks for the explanation! (reading up on SPF...)

Re: [From xorcist offlist] Cloudflare & NoDAPL again w/ a ROTF

2016-09-21 Thread juan
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 04:59:14 - xorc...@sigaint.org wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:40:09PM -, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote: > > Now, here's your fallacy. Because we humans are of course acting > > rationally under pressure. Take Juan's give-me-your-money example: > > in order to actuall

[Fwd: Re: [From xorcist offlist] Cloudflare & NoDAPL again w/ a ROTF]

2016-09-21 Thread xorcist
Ooops. Sent this to Juan offlist, but meant to copy the list on it too. > However the idea that a professional seller of jewelry is going > to make a big sale like that, without even COUNTING the bills > because he had been chatted up with some nonsense about the > subway

Re:

2016-09-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Very fine response actually. There are many most intriguing fine details and aspects which can be used in legal hackerspaces. Most want to tech hack, not law hack though ... there be a primary block. That don't stop some amazing and enjoyable hacks very possible, some even easy, though :) On

Re: [From xorcist offlist] Cloudflare & NoDAPL again w/ a ROTF

2016-09-21 Thread juan
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 23:10:27 - xorc...@sigaint.org wrote: > > However the idea that a professional seller of jewelry is > > going to make a big sale like that, without even COUNTING the bills > > because he had been chatted up with some nonsense about the > > subway system is...not

Re: "The Tree of Liberty will get its manure..." [Was Re:]

2016-09-21 Thread Razer
On 09/21/2016 12:03 PM, Xer0Dynamite wrote: > Show me the Law(s) that makes it so. > > \0x Guns make it so. Law enforcement owns about 99.9% of all the military style weaponry. Have you ever seen this bit @Popehat: In 1776, when the height of military technology was a musket and a cannon, bot

Re: [From xorcist offlist] Cloudflare & NoDAPL again w/ a ROTF

2016-09-21 Thread juan
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:35:31 - xorc...@sigaint.org wrote: > > On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 04:55:03 - > > > > You hit a nerve only in a general sense. Psychiatry is a > > especially vicious tool for political manipulation and > > oppresion. > > Indeed. Religion, physics, and medicine g

Re: "The Tree of Liberty will get its manure..." [Was Re:]

2016-09-21 Thread Steve Kinney
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/21/2016 08:34 PM, Razer wrote: > > > On 09/21/2016 12:03 PM, Xer0Dynamite wrote: >> Show me the Law(s) that makes it so. >> >> \0x > > Guns make it so. Law enforcement owns about 99.9% of all the > military style weaponry. Collusion betwee

Re: [From xorcist offlist] Cloudflare & NoDAPL again w/ a ROTF

2016-09-21 Thread John Newman
On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 09:36:53PM -0300, juan wrote: > > The skills of illusion, and "mentalism" are quite real.. and if you > > watch more of his stuff, especially the longer videos or full > > episodes where he breaks down the hows and whys of it working, > > perhaps you'll be less likely to say

Re: [From xorcist offlist] Cloudflare & NoDAPL again w/ a ROTF

2016-09-21 Thread juan
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 21:44:12 -0400 John Newman wrote: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming > > "..There is no scientific evidence supporting the claims made by > NLP advocates and it has been discredited as a pseudoscience by > experts.." Somewhat related I g

Re: "The Tree of Liberty will get its manure..." [Was Re:]

2016-09-21 Thread Razer
On 09/21/2016 06:32 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: > The people in those Crown Colonies that became United States started > refusing to pay taxes and surcharges, ignoring the orders of Crown > authorities, and constructing their own systems of commerce and > governance long before that "shot heard 'roun

Re: [From xorcist offlist] Cloudflare & NoDAPL again w/ a ROTF

2016-09-21 Thread Razer
On 09/21/2016 06:44 PM, John Newman wrote: > NLP is widely discredited pseudo-science crap. It works quite well on simple minded people. AKA "Useful Idiots". Rr > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 09:36:53PM -0300, juan wrote: >>> The skills of illusion, and "mentalism" are quite real.. and if you >>

Re: [From xorcist offlist] Cloudflare & NoDAPL again w/ a ROTF

2016-09-21 Thread xorcist
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 23:10:27 - >> >> It's all about misdirection, and subtle cues. > > > Yes, but there isn't anything extraordinary about it. He's > simply trying to distract his target. There isn't any profound > scientific principle or insight behind that. I don't really

Re: "The Tree of Liberty will get its manure..." [Was Re:]

2016-09-21 Thread xorcist
AK47's are useless? The Afghani's repelled the Soviets with manual-action rifles from WWI and WWI. Then took their AK47's and repelled NATO. And the Taliban is still there. So I think they'd take exception with this. But there are good points to it. The ability for insurrection is largely overs

Re: "The Tree of Liberty will get its manure..." [Was Re:]

2016-09-21 Thread Steve Kinney
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/21/2016 10:50 PM, Razer wrote: > On 09/21/2016 06:32 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: >> rulers out. That is why the Revolutionary War had the necessary >> organization and mass public support to succeed. > > > There was no American Revolution. Rev

Re: "The Tree of Liberty will get its manure..." [Was Re:]

2016-09-21 Thread Razer
On 09/21/2016 08:15 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: >Since Greed is about power, a political revolution has little if anything to do with ideology, There's an ideological difference between communism and capitalism. Ideally communism should mean the elimination of greed as a driving force in a societ

Re: "The Tree of Liberty will get its manure..." [Was Re:]

2016-09-21 Thread juan
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:34:23 -0700 Razer quoted: > > > So… if the 2nd Amendment's "right to revolution" implication is real, > both practically and legally, it must also include a right to possess > tanks, jets, rocket launchers, etc. Yes. And not because of some constitutional

Torgate: Tor’s Branding Pivot is Going to Get Someone Killed

2016-09-21 Thread grarpamp
Virgil Griffith- Research Scientist in Singapore Sep 4 Tor’s Branding Pivot is Going to Get Someone Killed Aka, human rights activism meets the Cobra Effect Three weeks ago, The Tor Project, Inc. published their Tor Social Contract. The contract was covered by the media, but the media focused on

Re: In solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub [was: Sim Theory]

2016-09-21 Thread Mirimir
On 09/21/2016 12:26 PM, John Newman wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 01:07:10PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:15 AM, John Newman wrote: >> For this small price of love, you could grant it it's freedom, >> for everyone, forever... >> >> http://custodians.online/ > > I don't h

Re: In solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub [was: Sim Theory]

2016-09-21 Thread grarpamp
On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 2:26 PM, John Newman wrote: > I don't have the apparatus to scan it - and I'm not sure a used > copy in "very good" condition would make a decent digital > copy :P Apparatus? Please. People have access to a knife, digital camera, computer, and internet? Right? https://en

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-21 Thread Mirimir
On 09/21/2016 04:15 AM, John Newman wrote: > >> On Sep 20, 2016, at 11:39 PM, Mirimir wrote: >> >>> On 09/20/2016 09:22 PM, Tom wrote: >>> btw, I'd suggest reading Phil Plaits 'Death from the Skies!'. In this >>> book he examines a couple of scenarios how the universe might end (among >>> a coupl

Re: Sim Theory

2016-09-21 Thread grarpamp
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:34 AM, Mirimir wrote: > Maybe you can get it through a library. Interlibrary loan, works wonders.

Re: Switching gears

2016-09-21 Thread Mirimir
With ubiquitous smartphones, we're getting there. Say what you will about Facebook, but they seem to have real commitment to sharing. So far, they've allowed some rather contentious and inflammatory stuff.

Re: Switching gears

2016-09-21 Thread juan
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:01:51 - xorc...@sigaint.org wrote: > > I ventured the idea that the only way to combat it, is for citizens > to put web cams in their windows, in their cars, have body cams.. > whatever.. and have a distributed system where we can live stream > that stuff up. Open sour

Re: [From xorcist offlist] Cloudflare & NoDAPL again w/ a ROTF

2016-09-21 Thread xorcist
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:35:31 - > Yes indeed. But there are very important differences between > physics - a 'hard science', medicine which could be 'scientific' > but since it deals with incredibly complex systems it is mostly > a joke (and fraud) at the moment, and th

Re: [From xorcist offlist] Cloudflare & NoDAPL again w/ a ROTF

2016-09-21 Thread xorcist
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 21:44:12 -0400 > John Newman wrote: > >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming >> >> "..There is no scientific evidence supporting the claims made by >> NLP advocates and it has been discredited as a pseudoscience by >> experts.." > > > Somewhat