Re: Cryptocurrency: Rise of Bitcoin Cash BCH

2018-07-21 Thread juan
On Sat, 21 Jul 2018 23:19:11 -0400 grarpamp wrote: > > "a few servers in a datacenter"... sounds fatally cerntralized. I was paraphrasing =P - here's the 1000% 'authentic' quote : https://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography@metzdowd.com/msg09964.html " Long before the network gets anyw

Re: Cryptocurrency: Rise of Bitcoin Cash BCH

2018-07-21 Thread grarpamp
> the size of bitcoins ledger > is ~200 gbytes at the moment. So one wonders how big it would get if > bitcoin was used for small payments by many people (let alone so called > micropayments). Seems like very few people would be able to run a validating > node then? 200GiB? So like <= 8TiB/100y @

Re: Cryptocurrency: Rise of Bitcoin Cash BCH

2018-07-21 Thread grarpamp
This "reclamation", on a blockchain such as implemented BTC currently, has no privkeys and cannot "reclaim" or "steal" any coin to any address, it can just erases them from the chain without further issuance. Call it erasing instead, a dick move since... The expectation of BTC and most other schem

Re: Cryptocurrency: Rise of Bitcoin Cash BCH

2018-07-21 Thread grarpamp
On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 7:29 PM, Steven Schear wrote: > assets which haven't moved since the early days of a blockchain (e.g., > Satochi/Finney Everybody likes to trot out this early bagholder FUD to scare adoption. In reality, even assuming 2M out of the extant 16.5M BTC are still out there as s

Re: Cryptocurrency: Rise of Bitcoin Cash BCH

2018-07-03 Thread juan
On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 20:48:05 +0530 mark M wrote: > > > > Couldn’t we just prune the old spent transactions in the blockchain and keep > the chain and dB smaller well, to verify new transactions you only need the UTXO set - problem is, in order to get the UTXO set you hav

Re: Cryptocurrency: Rise of Bitcoin Cash BCH

2018-07-03 Thread mark M
Couldn’t we just prune the old spent transactions in the blockchain and keep the chain and dB smaller > > On Jul 3, 2018 at 6:58 AM, mailto:juan@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 17:50:02 -0700 > Steven Schearwrote: > > > I gu

Re: Cryptocurrency: Rise of Bitcoin Cash BCH

2018-07-02 Thread juan
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 17:50:02 -0700 Steven Schear wrote: > I guess for you the article is a TL;DR. There was NOT a suggestion of > simple confiscation. All one had to do, to prevent "reclamation", is to > periodically move assets on the blockchain. I know. So if you for whatever reason fa

Re: Cryptocurrency: Rise of Bitcoin Cash BCH

2018-07-02 Thread Steven Schear
I guess for you the article is a TL;DR. There was NOT a suggestion of simple confiscation. All one had to do, to prevent "reclamation", is to periodically move assets on the blockchain. On Jul 2, 2018 5:19 PM, "juan" wrote: On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 22:37:15 + (UTC) jim bell wrote: > > > On S

Re: Cryptocurrency: Rise of Bitcoin Cash BCH

2018-07-02 Thread juan
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 17:59:30 -0400 grarpamp wrote: > > lolwut - that's trolling, right? =) > > The beauty of cryptocurrency is that it's new, not some tired > old govenment fiat money yeah well - not even the most fucked up government wants to wipe out savers every two years. He

Re: Cryptocurrency: Rise of Bitcoin Cash BCH

2018-07-02 Thread juan
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 22:37:15 + (UTC) jim bell wrote: > > > On Sunday, July 1, 2018, 11:09:34 PM PDT, juan > wrote: > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 00:22:03 -0400 > grarpamp wrote: > > >  "   as you know grarpamp (or maybe you dont know?) the size of bitcoins > ledger is ~200 gbytes at

Re: Cryptocurrency: Rise of Bitcoin Cash BCH

2018-07-02 Thread juan
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 16:29:15 -0700 Steven Schear wrote: > A rolling epoch, as suggested in the paper, not only helps keep the > blockchain length tractable it also prevents "submarining" from assets > which haven't moved since the early days of a blockchain (e.g., > Satochi/Finney and new blockch

Re: Cryptocurrency: Rise of Bitcoin Cash BCH

2018-07-02 Thread Steven Schear
A rolling epoch, as suggested in the paper, not only helps keep the blockchain length tractable it also prevents "submarining" from assets which haven't moved since the early days of a blockchain (e.g., Satochi/Finney and new blockchain pre-mining). On Mon, Jul 2, 2018, 1:30 PM juan wrote: > On

Re: Cryptocurrency: Rise of Bitcoin Cash BCH

2018-07-02 Thread jim bell
On Sunday, July 1, 2018, 11:09:34 PM PDT, juan wrote: On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 00:22:03 -0400 grarpamp wrote:  "   as you know grarpamp (or maybe you dont know?) the size of bitcoins ledger is ~200 gbytes at the moment. " On Amazon, I see a 200 GB micro SD card being sold for $71.  A 2

Re: Cryptocurrency: Rise of Bitcoin Cash BCH

2018-07-02 Thread grarpamp
> lolwut - that's trolling, right? =) The beauty of cryptocurrency is that it's new, not some tired old govenment fiat money same game since thousands of years. So all manner of new models can now be tried, new expectations, thought, training, usage parameters, flag days, morphing, etc...

Re: Cryptocurrency: Rise of Bitcoin Cash BCH

2018-07-02 Thread juan
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 06:49:04 -0700 Steven Schear wrote: > In 2013, a paper I contributed to offered a solution to the ever growing > blockchain delema: a finite epoch. The solution is similar the one Chaum > used on Digicash. It would fix, temporally, the blockchain to include only > transactions

Re: Cryptocurrency: Rise of Bitcoin Cash BCH

2018-07-02 Thread Steven Schear
In 2013, a paper I contributed to offered a solution to the ever growing blockchain delema: a finite epoch. The solution is similar the one Chaum used on Digicash. It would fix, temporally, the blockchain to include only transactions for the past 2 years, for example, thus creating a blockchain of

Re: Cryptocurrency: Rise of Bitcoin Cash BCH

2018-07-01 Thread juan
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 00:22:03 -0400 grarpamp wrote: as you know grarpamp (or maybe you dont know?) the size of bitcoins ledger is ~200 gbytes at the moment. So one wonders how big it would get if bitcoin was used for small payments by many people (let alone so called micropayments). Se

Cryptocurrency: Rise of Bitcoin Cash BCH

2018-07-01 Thread grarpamp
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