On Friday, September 14, 2001, at 04:16 PM, Aimee Farr wrote:
[Any previous discussion of this? Summary/Conclusions?]
Sec. 2339A. (FOOTNOTE 1) Providing material support to terrorists
(a) Offense. - Whoever, within the United States, provides material
support
or resources or conceals or
http://slashdot.org/yro/01/09/14/211241.shtml
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Anon wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Right, ninja troops carrying away bespectacled, nerdly remailer
operators. Here's a better fantasy. They'll hire $1000/night
superhookers and seduce the remailer operators into giving up their
keys. Both have about equal chances of
On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Whoever opts to collect that $5,000,000 will forever live in fear.
Cost/benefit, you do the math. I'd opt for it in a heartbeat.
Assume that you could nearly guarantee a profit of $5mil or more by
shorting your stocks before a terrorist attack on
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 04:11:53PM -0700, citizenQ wrote: Please
indicate the wider circumstances, particularly the warrantless
circumstances, that this amendment allows cybertapping under, for
those of us without your time or acumen in editing the existing Title
III language.
To achieve
http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/09/14/cell.phones/index.html
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On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 12:16:59AM -, Dr. Evil wrote:
way 800 numbers work, the 800 number operator (ie, the company that
pays for it) gets a list of all the numbers that dialed it, because
he's paying.
Or the contents of the conversations. Read up on your wiretap laws first,
though.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm
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This week, the FBI issued a court order, citing the Foreign Intelligence
Surveillance Act and demanding specific information concerning selected
subscribers to America Online and EarthLink, the country's two largest
Internet service providers. On Tuesday, shortly after news of the
destruction
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War is the health of the State. It automatically sets in motion throughout society
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the larger
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On 14 Sep 2001, at 10:57, !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
James - I find your statements incredible. America is
being attacked for being rich and free? I don't think so
If these people are arabs - and i still don't have any
proof of that - then we can assume they blew up the WTC in
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_399225.html?menu=news.latestheadlines
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On Saturday, September 15, 2001, at 07:01 AM, Derek Balling wrote:
Readers Digest and Yahoo are sponsoring a poll that asks various
questions about what freedoms people are willing to sacrifice...
http://ypolls.yahoo.com/rd1/
Hitting up public opinion for bad policies in a time of sorrow
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_155000/155236.stm
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Declan,
I ignored the first two points because I don't think they're that important.
These warrantless searches are emergency orders that have to be followed
by a court order in 48 hours. Sometimes courts are closed and the cops need
data right away. Tuesday evening would be a
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 03:17:42PM -0700, Greg Broiles wrote:
Specifically, the OpenSSL that's integrated into FreeBSD doesn't include
IDEA, by default, because of patent concerns. To remedy that, one needs to
change the line in /etc/defaults/make.conf so that it reads MAKE_IDEA=YES.
Then
Blocks and limitations on downloads have been removed
on Cryptome and JYA. We ask that bots and spiders be
configured and monitored to avoid repetitiveness, looping,
recycling and checking for previous downloads. Bandwidth
trashing programs will be seen as attacks and blocked to
assure access
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On Saturday, September 15, 2001, at 12:17 AM, Declan McCullagh wrote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 05:26:52PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or does innocence depend upon the depth of one's pockets?
Looks like you already know the answer to *that* question...
-Declan
(who may be becoming
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
Yeah, you're fast running out of points that aren't dull.
Perhaps, but that's not my reason. I simply find you to be dull.
They people engaging in them certainly felt justified. Whether you agree
or not is really a different question. It also
Dearest aimee darling,have they repealed the sodomy statutes in texas yet?I
sense theres nothing you'd
enjoy more than a long greasy rippled dick sliding in and out...Pucker up
sweetheart,this wont hurt a bit...
...privacy sillyness...
http://www.techreview.com/screaming/article.asp?SMContentIndex=3SMContentSet=0
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Nomen Nescio wrote:
Tim May writes:
Funny, I notice how many of the critics of Cypherpunks and
supporters of
this express train approach to repealing the Bill of Rights are
themselves hiding behind Cypherpunks remailers, Hushmail
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The cpunk archives, Cryptome and a host of other crypto
resources are likely to be shutdown if the war panic continues.
What methods could be used to assure continued access to
crypto even if possession and/or usage is outlawed?
That is to do what NSA and its global sisters do to keep crypto
Nomen Nescio wrote:
Sandfort:
I have NO IDEA what this strange post has to do with the
original question.
I'm a libertarian. As such, I see no problem in doing well by
doing good.
Just because I would jump at $5 million (plus Witness
Relocation) to finger
Bin Laden does not mean I
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
Yeah, you're fast running out of points that aren't dull.
Perhaps, but that's not my reason. I simply find you to be dull.
They people engaging in them certainly felt justified. Whether you agree
or not is really a different question. It also
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Declan,
I ignored the first two points because I don't think they're
that
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote:
See my second to last post, Jim. I cannot think of any massive terrorist
attack in which personal gain was the only motive. If there are any, the
number is extremely small.
Different societies have different definitions of evil; some evils are
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote:
Have there ever been any large-scale terroristic attacks where profit was
the only motive?
terrorism economics. Economics as a direct goal isn't the issue in
terrorism. You're 'mixing your metaphors'...
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On Saturday, September 15, 2001, at 11:37 AM, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote:
Now is a perfect time for the Government to round up and arrest those
people whose imprisonment might otherwise inspire protests or public
outrage, whether or not these arrests are related to terrorism.
I'm watching an ABC
Tim May writes:
Funny, I notice how many of the critics of Cypherpunks and supporters of
this express train approach to repealing the Bill of Rights are
themselves hiding behind Cypherpunks remailers, Hushmail aliases, and
Ziplip nyms.
If you're upset that critics of the Cypherpunks are
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote:
Have there ever been any large-scale terroristic attacks where profit was
the only motive?
terrorism economics. Economics as a direct goal isn't the issue in
terrorism. You're 'mixing your metaphors'...
On Saturday, September 15, 2001, at 12:40 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Tim May writes:
Funny, I notice how many of the critics of Cypherpunks and supporters
of
this express train approach to repealing the Bill of Rights are
themselves hiding behind Cypherpunks remailers, Hushmail aliases, and
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote:
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote:
Have there ever been any large-scale terroristic attacks where profit was
the only motive?
terrorism economics. Economics as a direct goal isn't the
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Tim May wrote:
No, I'm not upset. I said it was funny, as in ironic.
Bull, your implication was they were hypocrites and cowards. Don't white
wash it.
The main critics of anonymity are the main users here.
Hilarious.
Actually it isn't. It's a perfect example of why
Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Nonsense. Targeting innocents is evil according to EVERY human culture.
The fact that people do it, does not make it relative. It just makes them
evil. Period.
Not according to Tim May. He was the one who wrote that he was becoming
convinced that Tim McVeigh had done
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote:
[This is becoming a rat-hole, and I'm not interested getting too far into
it. I think most of you understand my point.]
Yeah, you're fast running out of points that aren't dull.
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
Different societies have
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Meyer Wolfsheim wrote:
Have there ever been any large-scale
terroristic attacks where profit was
the only motive?
Who said anything about profit?
I did.
The point under discussion was cost/benefit analysis. Don't engage in
Inchoate
Plans for the renovation of the Pentagon are being discussed on C-Span
right now. Interesting sound-bites. Costs of replacing the Pentagon vs.
rebuilding are the current topic.
The URL for the project reports a 500 error currently:
http://renovation.pentagon.mil/
The Pentagon is not compliant
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Meyer Wolfsheim wrote:
Have there ever been any large-scale
terroristic attacks where profit was
the only motive?
Who said anything about profit?
I did.
The point under discussion was cost/benefit analysis. Don't engage in
Inchoate
Incognito Innominatus wrote:
Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Nonsense. Targeting innocents is evil according to EVERY human culture.
The fact that people do it, does not make it relative. It
just makes them
evil. Period.
Not according to Tim May. He was the one who wrote that he was becoming
Meyer Wolfsheim wrote:
My point is that such an attack could occur
with nothing more than economic factors as
motivation.
Of course, but I don't see how that advances any discussion of what ACTUALLY
happened on the 11th. I don't think there is any reason to engage in a
theoretical
[This is becoming a rat-hole, and I'm not interested getting too far into
it. I think most of you understand my point.]
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
Different societies have different definitions of evil; some evils are
hard to justify by any means, however.
They people engaging
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Tim May wrote:
Amerika is not a free country. Hasn't been since Lincoln.
'Since' or 'because'...
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Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
It might be beneficial for those who vacuum and mirror to post
a note here. A magic mirror list on JYA would spread the load.
On Saturday 15 September 2001 12:51 pm, John Young wrote:
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Apples and oranges. There is a world of difference between targeting
innocents (the focus of my post) and targeting military targets with
resultant innocent casualties.
That's a convenient, and arbitrary, distinction.
It's wrong for me to kill
C'punks,
I haven't had much luck in researching something. Several years back,
Donald Trump proposed a high-rise complex for New York City that would
feature a kilometer-high skyscraper. Does anyone have a URL about that
plan?
I'd love to see the WTC replaced with a building over twice as
At 08:25 AM 9/15/2001 -0700, Tim May wrote:
On Saturday, September 15, 2001, at 07:01 AM, Derek Balling wrote:
Readers Digest and Yahoo are sponsoring a poll that asks various
questions about what freedoms people are willing to sacrifice...
http://ypolls.yahoo.com/rd1/
Hitting up public
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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On 14 Sep 2001, at 10:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Many have lost a great deal. And this is fueling a
potential war which will make vietnam look like a broadway
comedy. many american boys are going to die over this one
and i find
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't forget James - if in fact Bin Landen is involved in
this then the facts remain that the US Government sponsored
and assisted him during the Russian occupation of
afganistan.
No the US government did not, though it surely would have
On Saturday, September 15, 2001, at 04:03 PM, Steve Schear wrote:
The sheeple are being asked in online polls, in man-on-the-street
surveys
by news crews, just how many civil liberties we should give up.
Unsurprisingly, here are the current results after about 4500 votes:
No carry-on
I agree with this. The Twin Towers should be built bigger than before
(twice as big if it's feasible). I know some people would be scared
to have office space in there, but that's fine, because people who are
not scared will take space there, and everyone will know it. I would
take an
Pst, C'mere
Let's build a BIIIG terrorist icon on the eve of a possibly long
engagement, and put lots of little people in it.
Don't present targets when civilian lives go in them.
And, you can't fight fires in those things.
~Aimee
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Howie Goodell wrote:
Jim Choate wrote:
...privacy sillyness...
http://www.techreview.com/screaming/article.asp?SMContentIndex=3SMContentSet=0
I think what is silly is not proposing alternatives, and
then being shocked, SHOCKED when frightened sheeple make a
Meyer Wolfsheim wrote:
Assume that you could nearly guarantee a profit of $5mil or more by
shorting your stocks before a terrorist attack on the World Trade Center.
Would you perpetrate such a crime, and frame the sand-niggers?
The plot sickens. I assume you saw the news reports today
1. Any restrictions on Stego exports as compared to
regualar crypto, if so can i cheat and break it into modules, and give half of
it away and allow them to define there own cypher, give out a template and such
for, not really sure the easiest way to do that thought to see if was legal
Dave writes:
3. Who stood the most to gain?
The Zionist entity, which can now launch any military operation they wish
against the Palestinians, without being criticized.
Sharon has committed mass murder before, right?
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Howie Goodell wrote:
Meyer Wolfsheim wrote:
Assume that you could nearly guarantee a profit of $5mil or more by
shorting your stocks before a terrorist attack on the World Trade Center.
Would you perpetrate such a crime, and frame the sand-niggers?
The plot
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