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Re: disk encryption modes (Re: RE: Two ideas for random number generation)

2002-04-27 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message - From: Adam Back [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 11:48:11AM -0700, Joseph Ashwood wrote: From: Bill Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been thinking about a somewhat different but related problem lately, which is encrypted disk drives. You could

Re: disk encryption modes (Re: RE: Two ideas for random number generation)

2002-04-27 Thread Adam Back
Joseph Ashwood wrote: Adam Back Wrote: This becomes completely redoable (or if you're willing to sacrifice a small portion of each block you can even explicitly stor ethe IV. That's typically not practical, not possible, or anyway very undesirable for performance (two disk hits

Re: Re: disk encryption modes (Re: RE: Two ideas for random number generation)

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- Original Message - From: Adam Back [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joseph Ashwood wrote: Actually I was referring to changing the data portion of the block from {data} to {IV, data} Yes I gathered, but this what I was referring to when I said not possible. The OSes have 512Kbytes ingrained

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2002-04-27 Thread JonathanW
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Re: disk encryption modes

2002-04-27 Thread Nomen Nescio
There's no need to go to great lengths to find a place to store the IV. An encryption mode that bases the IV on block number and propagates changes throughout the disk block provides effectively just as much security. The only theoretical weakness of the latter approach is that if a block's

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-- At 12:15 PM -0700 on 4/27/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People who think like economists or libertarians will conclude that markets tend to stability, because humans will analyze fluctuations, attempt to predict them, and then take precautionary action to protect themselves, which

Re: disk encryption modes

2002-04-27 Thread Morlock Elloi
There's no need to go to great lengths to find a place to store the IV. Wouldn't it be much simpler (having in mind the low cost of storage), to simply append several random bits to the plaintext before ECB encrypton and discard them upon decryption ? For, say, 128-bit block cipher and 16-bit

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Re: Re: disk encryption modes

2002-04-27 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message - From: Morlock Elloi [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's no need to go to great lengths to find a place to store the IV. Wouldn't it be much simpler (having in mind the low cost of storage), to simply append several random bits to the plaintext before ECB encrypton and

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