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Re: Echelon-like...

2002-10-10 Thread Major Variola (ret)
Not only is EM correct, but: * many attacks are possible without worrying about keylength. Got Scarfo? * NIST/NSA picked the lamest AES. If I told you what lame meant, I'd have to kill you. * (Lack of) User motivation (related to man-machine issues) is still the spooks' best friend. As well as

Re: Echelon-like...

2002-10-10 Thread Tim May
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Re: Echelon-like...

2002-10-10 Thread Adam Back
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Re: Echelon-like...

2002-10-10 Thread David Howe
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Re: Echelon-like...

2002-10-10 Thread Sunder
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2002-10-10 Thread Tyler Durden
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Re: Echelon-like...

2002-10-10 Thread David Howe
On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 07:28 PM, anonimo arancio wrote: The basic argument is that, if good encryption is available overseas or easily downloadable, it doesn't make sense to make export of it illegal. Nope. The biggest name in software right now is Microsoft, who wasn't willing to

Re: Echelon-like...

2002-10-10 Thread Eric Murray
On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 02:28:26AM -, anonimo arancio wrote: [..] But I am wondering if Cypherpunks have mentioned the 'obvious'. The government knows exactly what it's doing. It wants to discourage the use of encryption by any means necessary, because of sheer numbers. Basically, the

Re: Echelon-like...

2002-10-10 Thread Major Variola (ret)
Not only is EM correct, but: * many attacks are possible without worrying about keylength. Got Scarfo? * NIST/NSA picked the lamest AES. If I told you what lame meant, I'd have to kill you. * (Lack of) User motivation (related to man-machine issues) is still the spooks' best friend. As well as

Re: Echelon-like...

2002-10-10 Thread Sarad AV
hi, The government knows exactly what it's doing. It wants to discourage the use of encryption by any means necessary, because of sheer numbers. Does n't govt intervension always increase the numbers? Basically, the more messages that are encypted, the more hardware (and therefore $$$)