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Re: UBL is George Washington

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Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies

2004-07-06 Thread "Hal Finney"
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Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies

2004-07-06 Thread Thomas Shaddack
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Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-06 Thread J.A. Terranson
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Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-06 Thread Tyler Durden
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Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-06 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 09:32 PM 7/5/04 +0200, Anonymous wrote: >Major Variola (ret) writes: >> >> The yanks did not wear regular uniforms and did not march in >> rows in open fields like Gentlemen. Asymmetric warfare means not >> playing by >> *their* rules. > >But asymm warfare has to accomplish its goal. It's not

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-06 Thread Peter Gutmann
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Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-06 Thread Major Variola (ret)
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Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies

2004-07-06 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 02:47 PM 7/6/04 -0700, Hal Finney wrote: >> Messages in storage have much lower judicial protection than messages in >> transit. (This does not have much technical merit, in the current >> atmosphere of "damn the laws - there are terrorists around the corner", >> but can be seen as a nice little

Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies

2004-07-06 Thread Major Variola (ret)
>> Absolutely, look at the threat model. You're not worried about someone >> breaking into your computer, you're worried about your ISP legally >> reading your email. Guaranteed, and encryption is bait. Use stego. >That's very true, however there can be operators you trust more than your >ISP,

Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies

2004-07-06 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 09:40:29PM -0700, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > smoking something I've run out of. Its all recorded. I'm sure the > archiving > and database groups in Ft. Meade will get a chuckle out of your > "the right to" idioms. All this stuff goes into some database slot. It will on

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-06 Thread Bill Stewart
Somebody wrote > WTC doesn't make sense as a target Everybody I knew was _much_ more upset about the WTC than the Pentagon. As one friend put it "I don't care about the Pentagon." Now, partly that's because of the shock of the buildings collapsing, which seemed much more dramatic than the Pentagon

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Re: Privacy laws and social engineering

2004-07-06 Thread Thomas Shaddack
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Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies

2004-07-06 Thread Major Variola (ret)
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Re: Privacy laws and social engineering

2004-07-06 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 08:10 AM 7/7/04 +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote: >On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > >> So, which is better, Schneier's books or Mitnick's? I suspect >> the former, but am curious what the community opinion is? > >You may like one side of the coin more than the other one, but they s