Re: STAINLESS STEEL PIPES AND TUBES FOR REFINERIE INDUSTRIES

2000-12-05 Thread David Honig
At 06:39 AM 12/5/00 -0500, Ashok Shah wrote: >REFINERIE INDUSTRIES Manager- Procurement / Purchase / Buyers >Department Dear Sir, > > leading Producers / Manufacturers / Exporters of STAINLESS STEEL PIPE / >TUBE SEAMLESS / WELDED,having our works near Ahmedabad-in INDIA.

Re: Missed News: US Adopts Euro Cyber Crime Proposal ...

2000-12-04 Thread David Honig
At 03:00 PM 12/4/00 -0500, Ernest Hua wrote: > >http://www0.mercurycenter.com/svtech/news/breaking/internet/docs/70519 This just about sums it up: Barry Steinhardt, associate director of the American Civil Liberties Union, said the pact could force police in the United States to c

Re: Buying Mein Kampf via the Net

2000-12-04 Thread David Honig
At 11:49 AM 12/4/00 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: >That's legitimate, though it often leads to gray-market rules >about smuggling stuff. >Many of the Chinese-printed textbooks I saw had covers >indicating that they were cookbooks, etc., to conceal that >they were pirate editions. > Hilarious. I mig

Re: Buying Mein Kampf via the Net

2000-12-04 Thread David Honig
At 12:23 PM 12/4/00 -0500, Tim May wrote: > >Do you mean you have an independent channel confirming this >"legitimate license," or do you mean the rice paper version has >carefully reproduced an approval page? I believed the dead-tree 'region codes'. I had no reason to be more diligent. Not my

Re: Buying Mein Kampf via the Net

2000-12-04 Thread David Honig
At 05:26 AM 12/4/00 -0500, Bill Stewart wrote: >Traditional Chinese copyright law only applied to civilization, >i.e. Chinese-language books written by Chinese; stuff written by >barbarians wasn't provided, so lots of my Taiwanese fellow students in college >had much lower-cost versions of US-writ

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Your Status #548F

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Re: Buying Mein Kampf via the Net

2000-12-02 Thread David Honig
At 10:54 AM 12/2/00 -0500, Tom Vogt wrote: >Duncan Frissell wrote: >> Germany's Kampf Furor Renews by Steve Kettmann > >actually, contrary to almost all other cases of censorship (not that I >say this isn't) the german state of bavaria owns the COPYRIGHT of "mein >kampf", Hitler's estate would b

Re: Buying Mein Kampf via the Net

2000-12-01 Thread David Honig
At 02:21 PM 12/1/00 -0500, Duncan Frissell wrote: > >Attention Germans. It is trivially easy to buy a book that your keepers >don't want you to buy. Even easier. You can find the text online at http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/ Don't tell the Germans.

RE: Net News as Cover Traffic

2000-12-01 Thread David Honig
At 11:58 AM 12/1/00 -0500, Ray Dillinger wrote: > >Yes, different. alt.anonymous.messages is simply a message mix. >I'm talking about a system that would provide lots of encrypted >traffic *ON THE SAME PORTS* as whatever other encrypted traffic >you were sending. IOW, no one should be able t

Re: Warning: "Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!"

2000-12-01 Thread David Honig
At 10:25 AM 12/1/00 -0500, Gil Hamilton wrote: >Norton AntiVirus found a virus in an attachment from Hahaha. > You had to check? [Transl for Unixen: a .scr under Windoze is a screensaver, ie, executable.]

Re: Arthur Anderson black-bagged, NIPC now spooking

2000-11-29 Thread David Honig
At 04:52 PM 11/29/00 -0500, Tim May wrote: >At 3:57 PM -0500 11/29/00, David Honig wrote: >>"Arthur Andersen's office in Vilnius has reportedly >>fallen victim to electronic surveillance operations. >> >>Also a notes that FBI now training NIPC in Carnivore

Arthur Anderson black-bagged, NIPC now spooking

2000-11-29 Thread David Honig
"Arthur Andersen's office in Vilnius has reportedly fallen victim to electronic surveillance operations. Following the discovery of suspicious equiptment in the office, Andersen called on the Lithuanian authorities to open an investigation into what it views as a case of economic espionage.

Re: Authenticate the "adult field", go to jail...

2000-11-29 Thread David Honig
At 02:41 PM 11/29/00 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >In fact if anything this kind of prosecution is an argument *against* >getting into the ecash/ecredential business, especially if it is focused >on porn as some have proposed. All you need is for someone to use it >to sell or authorize access

Re: Survey meters.

2000-11-29 Thread David Honig
At 09:29 AM 11/29/00 -0500, Ken Brown wrote: >I was 99% sure that these posts were some sort of spam-scam, whose >purpose I didn't quite get. (Am I falling for it by replying?) > >we don't now anything >about scintillation meters (I haven't used one since September). We may or may not know anyt

Re: Jim Bell

2000-11-28 Thread David Honig
At 08:21 PM 11/28/00 -0800, Ray Dillinger wrote: >I see no reason why I personally should be called upon to be >part of that machinery though -- nor any good reason why, if >called, I should comply. Well, I'm into Thoreau too. Even swam in his pond once. The point of any serious futurist (inc

Re: Jim Bell

2000-11-28 Thread David Honig
At 01:01 AM 11/28/00 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >stalking. AP just gives it all spice, I suppose. > >-Declan More than spice; conspiracy. The contents of the white paper worked very well with his address lists, etc. to build a case. Both should have been on encrypted partitions.

Re: Jim Bell

2000-11-28 Thread David Honig
At 10:18 PM 11/27/00 -0500, Ray Dillinger wrote: >Bell handwaved on the point of obtaining digital cash for >paying the assassin with. He observed it is a requirement to have strongly anon cash. The details of that are very complicated, but that is not the point. Assume for the moment that

Re: Carnivore Probe Mollifies Some

2000-11-28 Thread David Honig
At 06:54 AM 11/28/00 -0500, Ken Brown wrote: >Of course if they leave the machine [Carnivore] in the cage you can always stop >feeding it electricity. Or take it home to show the neighbours. It might >make a good conversation piece at dinner. Or maybe use it as an ashtray. >At 10:36 PM 11/27/00 -

Re: Jim Bell arrested, documents online

2000-11-26 Thread David Honig
At 12:09 AM 11/26/00 -0500, Neil Johnson wrote: >Some observations: > >What would keep a Gov't from using AP to accomplish their own objectives ? >They obviously would have the resources to. They might even find it a much >more efficient way to silence vocal critics with plenty of "plausible >de

Re: Jim Bell arrested, documents online

2000-11-26 Thread David Honig
At 10:35 PM 11/25/00 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: >On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, David Honig wrote: >> At 11:11 AM 11/24/00 -0500, Greg Newby wrote: >> >Do people on this list really believe that the solution to >> >problems is to kill people? >> >> What we believe is

Re: Jim Bell arrested, documents online

2000-11-25 Thread David Honig
At 11:11 AM 11/24/00 -0500, Greg Newby wrote: > >Do people on this list really believe that the solution to >problems is to kill people? What we believe is not important.

Re: Jim Bell arrested, documents online

2000-11-25 Thread David Honig
At 09:48 PM 11/24/00 -0500, Greg Newby wrote: > >But seriously, folks: How would you work with a like-minded >distributed group to murder someone? Preferably with guaranteed >no risk of discovery or prosecution to the participants. RTFM

Re: Jim Bell arrested documents online

2000-11-24 Thread David Honig
At 09:58 PM 11/23/00 -0500, Anonymous wrote: > >Apparently because businesses do not use guns. > >They are missing the fact that majority of people never encounter/use >guns in their life, and that the principal way of behavioural control >is propaganda/ideology. Most of the people in the industri

Re: Jim Bell arrested, documents online

2000-11-22 Thread David Honig
At 03:11 PM 11/22/00 -0500, Alan Olsen wrote: >On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, David Honig wrote: >> Correct, except that you haven't grasped that it will be impossible >> to trace anything to anyone. > >*Except* the hosting server. Legal "whack-a-mole" games will comm

Re: Jim Bell arrested, documents online

2000-11-22 Thread David Honig
At 08:31 PM 11/21/00 -0500, Ray Dillinger wrote: > >I have just read his paper on Assassination Politics, at > >Basically, assassination is illegal, and the courts will >interpret the law in whatever way they need to in order >to stop assassinations from happening. >Even if they couldn't fin

Re: Carnivore All-Consuming

2000-11-20 Thread David Honig
At 10:34 PM 11/19/00 -0500, Jim Dixon wrote: >> A PC, using off-the-shelf HW, is capable of filtering a full 100 Mbps link >> (144K packets/sec) as demonstrated by the BlackICE products >> http://www.networkice.com/html/blackice_sentry.html > >First, like any other manufacturer's claims, these s

Re: Is this Reno/wiretap stat true?

2000-11-19 Thread David Marshall
"James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > -- > > At 01:29 PM 11/19/2000 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Found in Usenet: > > > > #I don't know if Reno is a traitor, but consider this: > > #Between 1992 and 1997, there were approximately 2,500 > > #national securit

Re: Aces high

2000-11-16 Thread David Honig
At 01:39 PM 11/16/00 -0500, Tim May wrote: >At 12:42 PM -0500 11/16/00, David Honig wrote: >>At 04:36 AM 11/16/00 -0500, Bill Stewart wrote: >>> >>>A good tomato throwing fight _would_ be a pretty appropriate >>>way to resolve this election.You can vote

Re: Aces high

2000-11-16 Thread David Honig
At 04:36 AM 11/16/00 -0500, Bill Stewart wrote: > >A good tomato throwing fight _would_ be a pretty appropriate >way to resolve this election.You can vote early and often... > Its a shame duelling is passe.

Re: Fwd: First Site

2000-11-15 Thread David Marshall
Joe Baptista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > THE NEW LINK FOR OUR SITE. > > > SORRY FOR ANY TROUBLE YOU MAY HAVE HAD WITH THE OLD LINK. > > > THIS ONE HAS ALL THE CORRECTIONS > > > > > > http://3638141293/36/1059436/legal.html > > > > One boggles when some idiot who spams refers to a URL as a

Re: Fwd: First Site

2000-11-15 Thread David Marshall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > THE NEW LINK FOR OUR SITE. > SORRY FOR ANY TROUBLE YOU MAY HAVE HAD WITH THE OLD LINK. > THIS ONE HAS ALL THE CORRECTIONS > > http://3638141293/36/1059436/legal.html One boggles when some idiot who spams refers to a URL as a "line," and then can't even give a valid U

micro-ecash, stored value, EDA tool licensing

2000-11-15 Thread David Honig
There's an article in EETimes 6 Nov 2000 p 160 about EDA providers who let you download tools, then pay for them by the hour. This differs from ASPs who run the apps on their machines (thereby exposing your secret designs). The interesting thing is that many tools run $5/hour, (e.g., for a $10K

Re: Florida situation keeps changing...

2000-11-15 Thread David Honig
At 09:35 AM 11/15/00 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Palm Beach County election officials haven't started a recount. >They are discussing changing the "chad" rules so that even >an indentation (without a corner of the chad detached) can >be ruled as a choice. This is idiotic ---one can expect t

Re: A secure voting protocol

2000-11-15 Thread David Honig
At 11:14 PM 11/14/00 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >Yes and no. If the Dems stop trying to prolong this, we could have a >resolution tomorrow (or Saturday). True, it might tarnish a >presidency, but all it takes is one crisis, manufactured or not, to >rally the country behind the leader. Heh, yo

Re: A secure voting protocol

2000-11-14 Thread David Honig
At 02:45 PM 11/14/00 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: >used a purple dye. If you actually knew any blacks (I'm using that >word instead of the currently PC 'African-American' because it's skin >color that's under discussion, and the discussion applies to people >outside the US as well), As well as Ind

Re: Gary Chapman On Online Voting, Even if Secure, Won't Solve

2000-11-14 Thread David Honig
At 01:55 PM 11/14/00 -0500, Matthew Gaylor wrote: >DIGITAL NATION > >Online Voting, Even if Secure, Won't Solve Election Troubles I was in a discussion about this a while ago, where I was defending absentee ballots (as making it easier to vote), and in the process learning about attacks on electr

Re: A secure voting protocol

2000-11-14 Thread David Honig
At 01:40 PM 11/14/00 -0500, dmolnar wrote: >Nevada doesn't even require the stamp. > Damn, machine guns, no income tax *and* no stamp on absentee ballots. Gotta move there.

Re: BSA deploys imaginary pirate software detector vans

2000-11-14 Thread David Honig
At 08:13 PM 11/13/00 -0500, Neil Johnson wrote: >The general idea is to pick up and decode the RF emissions generated by the >CPU, Memory, I/O and Video systems to figure out what the computer is doing. > >It takes some work (not as much as you would think), but there have been >documented demonst

Re: A secure voting protocol

2000-11-11 Thread David Honig
At 02:22 PM 11/11/00 -0500, James A. Donald wrote: > >Ideally, we should organize an election so that the illiterate, the stupid, >and the drunk will generally fail to vote correctly. I'm told that during past Yugo elections, when the folks in charge wanted to keep turnout low, the (state-run)

voting ACK (was Re: Greetins from ZOG-occupied Palestine

2000-11-11 Thread David Honig
At 04:32 AM 11/11/00 -0500, Bill Stewart wrote: >(And apparently there _has_ been a certain amount of malfeasance >in handling the mail ballots, though it's not clear the P.O. were >directly involved.And the Postmaster General's on the >succession list, at least in the 1947 version.) >

voting tech & radio buttons

2000-11-10 Thread David Honig
Intercepted in popmedia: Some dude of Shoup Corp which makes voting machines, or used to 21 years ago (there are no parts available), demonstrated that you can lock out choices after you've pulled one lever. Which would eliminate certain bozos double-punching their political-hollerith cards. Wh

Re: [Correction] More blather from the DEMS on FL

2000-11-09 Thread David Honig
At 07:41 PM 11/9/00 -0500, David Marshall wrote: > >After watching CNN and listening to the Democrats whine, bitch, and >moan, I guess that maybe this is the first shot of the Second American >Civil War. I guess I'd better go get more guns to defend myself >against rioting

Re: Democrats are arguing for "statistical sampling voting"

2000-11-09 Thread David Honig
At 07:27 PM 11/9/00 -0500, Tim May wrote: > >Democrat spinners are now talking up the idea of using "statistical >sampling" to assign some fraction of the spoiled ballots to Al Gore. > >Not a surprise, given that it was the Democrats who wanted to augment >the "direct count" of the U.S. Census w

Re: Phil Zimmerman Profiled

2000-11-09 Thread David Honig
At 05:57 PM 11/9/00 -0500, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: >> example, about Gnu Privacy Guard (GnuPG), an open source competitor to PGP. >> There's no doubt in Zimmermann's mind that GnuPG suffers for being managed >> by programmers. He offers the Blowfish encryption method as an example: "I >> would neve

building codes, property rights (follow up)

2000-11-09 Thread David Honig
I asked a lawyer who does real estate development: >> I'm having a prolonged flame with someone, and I'm afraid they're right. >> I'm claiming there are regulations about what you must have *in your house >> (single-family dwelling) right now* vs. when you sell it. But I may >> be wrong. I've

Re: BSA deploys imaginary pirate software detector vans

2000-11-09 Thread David Honig
At 08:09 AM 11/9/00 -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: > >Visitors to Glasgow Central Station yesterday were surprised to be >confronted by a Ford Transit van with a small radar and rusty Sky >satellite dish mounted on top. What was this apparition? Why, the >BSA's latest weapon in the war against softw

Re: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!

2000-11-09 Thread David Honig
Maybe the UN will 'supervise' a second election.. maybe Yugoslav election advisors will be used...

Re: Calif Mandatory Youth Education Camp competition

2000-11-08 Thread David Honig
At 06:13 PM 11/8/00 -0500, Duncan Frissell wrote: >At 11:31 PM 11/7/00 -0500, David Honig wrote: > >>Seems the Calif proposition to fund private schools has failed. >> >>You must register Jr. with the government next September. Mandatory >>anthrax shots in Januar

Re: Weather

2000-11-08 Thread David Honig
At 06:30 PM 11/8/00 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: >There's an old saw about Texas, > >If you don't like the weather, wait a few minutes. It'll change. Hilarious. Where I grew up, it was New England, not T'xas. But then, I grew up in NE. But then, NE was settled by english-speakers way before T. To

Re: A very brief politcal rant

2000-11-08 Thread David Honig
At 05:47 PM 11/8/00 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >If the citizens of Missouri chose to elect a deceased person as Senator, I think >that's exactly what they should get. Leave the seat empty for two years. Maybe she and Bono ("tree, get out out my way, I'm a congressman")'s ho can form a cong

Calif Mandatory Youth Education Camp competition loses in CA

2000-11-07 Thread David Honig
Seems the Calif proposition to fund private schools has failed. You must register Jr. with the government next September. Mandatory anthrax shots in January.

Re: Courts interfering with election

2000-11-07 Thread David Honig
At 09:31 PM 11/7/00 -0500, Tim May wrote: If they work hours such >that they cannot be at the polling places during these hours, they >obtain absentee ballots. Or they take personal time off of work. Or >they go in an hour later. Etc. California is reported to have 20% absentee ballots, see th

Re: election

2000-11-07 Thread David Honig
At 09:45 PM 11/7/00 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> The women in Michigan did it, the women in Penn. did it, >> the women in Fla. did it. Wake up punks, it's the wimmens. >> They rule. >> MacN > >They need raping. After Gore disarms them, it'll be easier.

Re: AT&T signs bulk hosting contract with spammers

2000-11-06 Thread David Honig
At 09:47 PM 11/6/00 -0500, Alan Olsen wrote: >> Going to jail won't stop anyone from figuring it out if that's what they >> want. I would be so bold as to suggest that if they make it illegal then >> you'll see a significant rise in the behaviour, along with increased use >> of anonymous remailers

Re: Wired News Senate scorecard: Democrats beat Republicans

2000-11-06 Thread David Honig
At 09:56 AM 11/6/00 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >Democrat Patrick Moyhihan did the best out of everyone, surprisingly. That >was probably because he missed three votes -- Oh dear. More arguments for AP.

RE: RISKS: New Jersey shuts down E-ZPass statement site after

2000-11-06 Thread David Honig
At 09:48 AM 11/6/00 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: >Of course, EZ-Pass could have been designed so that the >device was anonymous, and prepaid stored value (bought >for cash) smartcards used to meter access. > >It would probably have worked out cheaper as well, since the >accounting overhead goes away

[IFWP] Re: Ken Stubbs @ core deletes vote-auction.com

2000-11-06 Thread David Honig
At 06:02 AM 11/6/00 -0500, Tom Vogt wrote: while the UN has >it's seat in new york, it can at least keep a front of not being a long >arm of the US government. It saves us travel expenses on the black-bag teams.

RE: FW: BLOCK: AT&T signs bulk hosting contract with spammers

2000-11-06 Thread David Honig
At 08:27 AM 11/6/00 -0500, Tom Vogt wrote: >as a matter of fact, *probing* my machine is nothing I'm worried about. What's 'probing'? Has some State defined certain TCP ports as 'public' and some as not? Where's the RFC? [Not directed at Tom]

Re: Here's an interesting twist on gun control ...

2000-11-06 Thread David Honig
At 02:13 AM 11/6/00 -0500, Tim May wrote: > I just can't think of anything >the law requires me to have in my house. As it should be. * running water * N toilets per hectare * electricity * walls, stairs, floors made to certain state minima (standards) * N metres of terra between A and B

Re: PipeNet protocol

2000-11-06 Thread David Honig
At 03:00 AM 11/6/00 -0500, Bill Stewart wrote: >At 11:55 PM 11/5/00 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>My isp would start charging me extra if I surpassed my monthly ul/dl limit. >>Is this realistically feasible with today's infrastructure? > >Only one of the ISPs I deal with has a traffic limit, >

Re: US report urges Arafat to use torture for peace

2000-11-06 Thread David Honig
At 11:14 PM 11/5/00 -0500, An Metet wrote: >It excuses the use of Israeli live bullets against stone-throwers, adding that CS gas and rubber bullets are The Israelis claim that they use live ammo against molotov cocktailers, not mere stoners. Without intending to enter a geopolitical discussion

Re: Zero Knowledge changes business model (press release)

2000-11-01 Thread David Honig
At 05:59 PM 11/1/00 -0500, Adam Shostack wrote: > >Matt Blaze did some work on non-subvertable key escrow, where you >escrow keys with random folks, and when you, or Uncle Sam, want the >key, you announce that, and hope to get the key back. Let me be clear >that this also is not what we're doing

Re: California bars free speech of those cutting deals on votes

2000-11-01 Thread David Honig
At 03:29 PM 11/1/00 -0500, jim bell wrote: >What I'd like to see is for a state, any state, to apply some sort of "100% >State Income Tax for People engaged in violating the right of citizens to >make and use pot [for medicinal reasons, etc]." Actually you can sue a government official (cop, cl

nsa watch

2000-11-01 Thread David Honig
from elsewhere: FORMER NSA EMPLOYEES LAUNCH CYBER SECURITY BUSINESS http://www.redherring.com/vc/2000/1019/vc-spies101900.html MEANWHILE, NSA SEEKS NEW EMPLOYEES ON-LINE. (submitted by Jeremy Compton) http://www.nsa.gov/programs/employ/index.html

Re: Zero Knowledge changes business model (press release)

2000-11-01 Thread David Honig
At 12:13 PM 10/31/00 -0500, Tim May wrote: >How about: > >-- no key escrow, no split keys, no trusted third parties I don't see any way around the fact that some companies will want to have key escrow of some form for employees who disappear, e.g., car accident, pickpocket stole the key-carrier,

RE: Wired News tech scorecard for U.S. House of Representatives

2000-10-26 Thread David Honig
At 01:21 AM 10/26/00 -0400, Neil Johnson wrote: >> Its called 'parenting' but most are too busy, so they ask the State, or >> machines (censorware, v-chips, rating systems, etc.) under others' >control, >> to do it instead. >> > >Any parent who lets a child have a TV or a computer in their bedroom

Re: Insurance (was: why should it be trusted?) cpunk

2000-10-26 Thread David Honig
At 05:49 PM 10/25/00 -0400, jim bell wrote: > >My back-of-the-computerized-envelope calculation shows that it would take >5900 metric tons (2200 lbs) to load a volume of 100km by 100km by 100 meters >of water with 100 nanomolar level of iron ion. (weight counts only that of >iron, not the anion.)

Re: I created the "Al Gore created the Internet" story

2000-10-25 Thread David Honig
At 02:15 PM 10/24/00 -0400, Craig Brozefsky wrote: >I suppose one could say that the bundling of ISP services with the >default Windows install increased the rate of new internet users >significantly, but the explosive growth has already started by then. I've come to see that it was the kink of t

Re: Congress proposes raiding census records.

2000-10-25 Thread David Honig
At 09:45 AM 10/25/00 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: >I didn't answer even that question. I did not return the form. > >My result was the same as yours: No visits or inquiries. > >That's a shame. If I get fined $100, I can write a column about my >experience and sell it for much more. > >-Declan

RE: Wired News tech scorecard for U.S. House of Representatives

2000-10-25 Thread David Honig
At 08:06 PM 10/24/00 -0400, Ray Dillinger wrote: >If nobody comes up with some filterware that works, then there will >probably be continuing pressure to regulate content. Its called 'parenting' but most are too busy, so they ask the State, or machines (censorware, v-chips, rating systems, etc

Gort in granny-shades (was Re: Al Gore goes cypherpunk?)

2000-10-25 Thread David Honig
At 08:08 PM 10/24/00 -0400, Tim May wrote: > >Nonsense, on at least a couple of accounts. I was active in the image >processing field in 1980-84, and attended various SIGGRAPHs and >suchlike. Fact is, "ray tracing" and various illumination models, and >Gouraud and Phong shading and all the rest

Re: Nuclear waste

2000-10-22 Thread David Honig
At 05:15 AM 10/22/00 -0400, jim bell wrote: > >A far better solution, I'd think, would be to drill a 5-mile deep hole >(perhaps on the ocean floor, for good measure) and fill the bottom couple of >miles with waste, and the rest with concrete. > >Jim Bell Isolation isn't enough; you have to worry

Re: Nuclear waste

2000-10-22 Thread David Honig
At 02:30 AM 10/22/00 -0400, James A.. Donald wrote: > -- >I think the Russian solution is the best. > >They dump high level liquid waste in the deep cold salty waters of the >arctic ocean. This water slowly settles, and it will be a thousand or so >years before it rises again. In the cours

sieving the gene pool -not just Iceland

2000-10-21 Thread David Honig
Estonia plans to raise between 1e8 and 1.5e8 dollars for a project to begin next year, to "compile DNA profiles and health information on75%ofthe country's 1.4 million citizens" ... "by contrast, [to Iceland's anonymity] the data and DNA samples in the Estonian project will be identifiable throu

It's all property, folks (was Re: Insurance (was: why

2000-10-20 Thread David Honig
At 07:51 AM 10/20/00 -0400, Sampo A Syreeni wrote: >On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, R. A. Hettinga wrote: > >>My lungs are property. If some one injures them, I have a tort. I don'tô >>even need legislation. > >Well, you are apparently the one doing the damage - who the fuck told you to >breathe in the first

Re: Insurance (was: why should it be trusted?)

2000-10-20 Thread David Honig
At 04:00 AM 10/20/00 -0400, petro wrote: >>Lots of socialists to be dealt with and disposed of. I wonder who >>will stoke the furnaces? > > Robots? Amusing cross-language double-entendre there, Petro. Robot is from "slave", in Czech IIRC.

Re: why should it be trusted?

2000-10-20 Thread David Honig
At 05:08 AM 10/20/00 -0400, petro wrote: > It is "immoral" to commit murder. Is this because God Says >So, or because it's generally better for society if we can assume >that the vast majority of people *won't* be trying to shoot us? Neither are worthwhile reasons. Others' right to exist

Re: Tim May's anti-semitic rants

2000-10-20 Thread David Honig
At 05:15 AM 10/20/00 -0400, petro wrote: >>This list is no stranger to Tim May's sarcasm and anti-semitic rants. > > He's bashing a completely facist and dictatorial country of >which a sizeable number of citizens are completely willing to commit >genocide of the very same kind that was on

Re: It's all property, folks

2000-10-20 Thread David Honig
At 10:05 PM 10/19/00 -0400, No User wrote: > Most EarthFirst! folks have figured out that you just have to forget about >the government acting properly to protect Mother Earth. It takes direct, ... >what to do about it? Shit man, get real -- $5 bucks worth of gasoline >and a midnight stroll take

Re: why should it be trusted? (DNA thread...)

2000-10-20 Thread David Honig
At 05:31 PM 10/19/00 -0400, Bill Stewart wrote: >At 12:25 PM 10/18/00 -0400, David Honig wrote: >>Some scandanavian countries have complete health records on all >>their citizens and some are working on national DNA banks. Some of >>these will be made available for research

re:Tim May's anti-semitic rants

2000-10-19 Thread David Honig
At 04:18 PM 10/19/00 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >--Hushpart_boundary_WIoYstciRMrFMmoZmKueyEZopGecZvAX >Content-type: text/plain > >Typical of May to wish that those who he hates be nuked, but please don'tt >let it effect his portfolio. No, he's saying its legit if the aborigines take bac

reverse engineering pedigrees (was Re: why should it be

2000-10-19 Thread David Honig
At 12:20 PM 10/19/00 -0400, Trei, Peter wrote: >Assuming, of course, that the birth records accurately reflect parentage. >If you take a course in human genetics you're likely to be astonished at the > >rate of fooling around that must occur to account for the appearence of >traits >within famili

RE: New OLD cryptograph patent for NSA

2000-10-13 Thread David Honig
At 10:55 PM 10/12/00 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: > >It's often hard to tell whether a physical object violates >a given patent or not - bitspace is often pretty subtle stuff, >especially if it's manufacturing methods rather than end results >that are the subject of the patent. > >But increasingly,

Re: Burglar Politics, Tempesting PC's that watch TV and DVD

2000-10-12 Thread David Honig
At 09:10 PM 10/12/00 -0400, Bill Stewart wrote: >with raw pins pointing out. I'm not sure if my PC was in >"use both displays" mode or "only use the LCD" mode - >most laptops don't have an indicator other than "the LCD is dark"... A good reason for the airlines asking you to keep your radiating

Re: Think cash

2000-10-12 Thread David Honig
ample that the >object must make sense mechanically -- that it should be stable resting on >a plane. You seem to be supposing that human perceptual algorithms (and the illusions they produce) are somehow unknowable or unreplicable by nonanimal machinery. This is meat chauvinism. Look in

RE: New OLD cryptograph patent for NSA

2000-10-12 Thread David Honig
At 12:36 PM 10/12/00 -0400, Tim May wrote: >In a crypto anarchic >society, patents will mostly be moot.) Really? If you have a factory, or open a virtual storefront, you have a public (meat, seizable) presence. Patents are enforced by guns against locatable assets which have exploited the pa

Re: Rijndael & Hitachi

2000-10-10 Thread David Honig
At 03:59 PM 10/10/00 -0600, Michael Paul Johnson wrote: >>I was thinking it might be useful to define a "Paranoid Encryption Standard (PES)" that is a concatenation of all five AES finalists, applied in alphabetical order, all with the same key (128-bit or 256-bit). ... > >To be truly paranoid, sh

Re: proggies

2000-10-08 Thread David Marshall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > please send me prggies thanks Cypherpunks Industries would be happy to ship you pregnant laboratory rats, transgenically altered to produce delta-tetrahydrocannabinol. These pregnant rats have been nicknamed "preggies" by our staff, in a combination of "pregnant" and

Re: How the Feds will try to ban strong anonymity

2000-10-08 Thread David Honig
At 02:39 AM 10/8/00 -0400, Steve Furlong wrote: >Require ISPs to get a license to operate. Terms can be set arbitrarily >high. (Bonus points if you make them pay for the monitoring hardware, >software, and governmental labor.) Wasn't a "license to drive" on the "info superhighway" bandied about w

Re: Gores teens and drugs

2000-10-06 Thread David Honig
At 09:17 AM 10/6/00 -0400, Joe Baptista wrote: >Anyway - this child is now fully grown and is the biggest drugs fiend and >womanizer we have in canada. No one cares and rightly so. Well we have the Kennedys...

Re: stego for the censored

2000-10-06 Thread David Honig
At 10:52 AM 10/6/00 -0400, Ray Dillinger wrote: >For the sake of us audiophiles, please don't. MP3 is tinny and flat >at best; Then why are you 'audiophiles' traumatizing yourselves by listening to it? it ticks me off that most folks seem to hear it as "good >enough", because if most folks h

Re: stego for the censored

2000-10-06 Thread David Honig
At 07:05 AM 10/6/00 -0400, Tom Vogt wrote: >I'm currently thinking of whether or not it is feasable to put stego >data into EVERY .mp3 downloaded. just put random data into those not >intended to carry a message. Problem is that repeatedly decoding an .mp3 into a .wav, then feeding the .wav and t

VP debate drinking game

2000-10-05 Thread David Honig
Every time a VP candidate during the debate says "weapons of mass destruction" you have to sip.

Re: stego for the censored

2000-10-05 Thread David Honig
At 08:36 AM 10/5/00 -0400, Tom Vogt wrote: >the problem with porn is that it may be illegal in itself in the same >countries. Baby pictures, if there's a plausible interest on the receiving side. MP3s of apolitical songs.

Re: Anonymous Remailers

2000-10-04 Thread David Honig
At 09:26 AM 10/3/00 -0400, dmolnar wrote: >People will use your remailer to send spam and death threats. There may >even be people who will use your remailer to send spam and death threats >to themselves, simply because they hate remailers. The recipients will >contact you and your ISP. Repeatedly

Re: none

2000-09-30 Thread David Marshall
"craigjackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > hey you got any user names and passwords for Babylon-x > > if please e-mail em to me @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Babylons One, Two, and Three were sabotaged and destroyed. Babylon Four disappeared twenty-four hours after becoming operational. In 2260, it was

Re: AES winner to be announced Monday.

2000-09-30 Thread David Honig
At 03:50 PM 9/30/00 -0400, Nomen Nescio wrote: > >Though NIST is being very secretive regarding the AES announcement, >they let the following rumors leak: > Won't it be interesting to hear their public reasoning? \begin{paranoia} We can only guess what other inputs they had. \end{paranoia}

Re: AES winner to be announced Monday.

2000-09-30 Thread David Honig
At 07:48 PM 9/29/00 -0400, Tim May wrote: >> >>So NIST will be silent for three more days. How about the finalist >>submitters? >>Did *they* tell anything? I'll bet NIST has contacted (or will contact) >>them regarding the forthcoming announcement. > >"I'll bet the Academy of Motion Picture Arts

Re: Algorithm queston.

2000-09-29 Thread David Honig
At 11:05 AM 9/29/00 -0400, Steve Thompson wrote: >To correct my ignorance on current cryptography issues, I have been browsing >the archives. Some time ago, there was quite a bit of talk about the MISTY >algorithm, although I did not chance upon any pointers to an actual >implementation. Since t

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