At 7:18 PM -0700 7/23/01, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
>Not-a-lawyer wrote:
>
>> No, the cops panicked...
>
>You really should become a lawyer or even a judge. You seem to already have
>figured this one out by ESP or something. Wow, I'm fucking impressed with
>your legal acumen.
>
>> And then there is
At 1:43 AM +0300 7/24/01, Sampo Syreeni wrote:
>But I also think the question Choate posed is a valid one: what happens when
>the target is *not* a ballistic missile, but people, equipment and vehicles
>on the ground, normal aircraft, or air-to-air missiles? One would think that
>the lower veloci
At 5:08 PM -0500 7/23/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Petro burbled upon us thusly:
>
>> Another point you bring up is that a LEO should not enforce laws
>> that "clearly" violate the constitution.
>>
>> A LEO cannot do tha
At 5:25 PM -0700 7/23/01, Gabriel Rocha wrote:
>,[ On Mon, Jul 23, at 07:44PM, John Young wrote: ]--
>| Adobe Systems Incorporated and the Electronic Frontier
>| Foundation today jointly recommend the release of Russian
>| programmer Dmitry Sklyarov from federal custody.
>|
>| A
At 9:21 PM -0500 7/22/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Petro wrote:
>> At 12:32 PM -0500 7/21/01, Benson Schliesser wrote:
>> >> We still live in a country that has laws, and we *should* expect the LEAs
>> >to enforce all laws that are on the bo
At 11:29 PM -0700 7/22/01, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
>Petro wrote:
>
>> I'd bet my wife's next paycheck that
>> at least 90% of those bastards are
>> appointed.
>
>I wouldn't take that bet because I'm sure you are right. However, that just
&
At 1:18 PM -0700 7/22/01, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
>Ray Dillinger wrote:
>
>> This is just a guess, but what *I*
>> think motivates these people is
>> frustration and disenfranchisement.
>> It's not that any substantial group
>> of them want any particular thing,
>> it's just that the whole bunch of
At 9:41 PM -0700 7/22/01, Black Unicorn wrote:
>I will personally refund the money to Mr. Choate when he presents a valid ETS
>score report for the test to me or Mr. Sandfort.
Willing to make me the same offer?
At 10:37 AM -0700 7/21/01, Morlock Elloi wrote:
>> Their anti-property rights slogans, their disdain for private property,
>> their embrace of socialist and Marxist ideology? See a nice writeup on this
>> point that Cato's Aaron Lucas sent to my Politech list:
>
>Cato is the first place that I vi
At 8:23 PM -0400 7/20/01, GeEk wrote:
>Just wondering (because maybe you don't live in the US). But why are you
>all gonna protest because some Russian got arrested for breaking the law??
>\
Probably because he got arrested on American Soil, by American Cops for
breaking an American law
At 10:18 PM -0400 7/20/01, Matthew Gaylor wrote:
>Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:04:21 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Seth Finkelstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Ashcroft Targets U.S. Cybercrime
>
> Remember what I told you: "If you think Clinton was dismal,
>you're going to find ou
At 5:18 PM -0400 7/20/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Sandman wrote:
>#
>#I'm not sure where George's "here" is...
>
>New York City, Third Planet From the Sun.
Try moving out of a socialist third-world country.
At 4:56 PM -0500 7/20/01, Jim Choate wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
>
>> Tim May wrote:
>>
>> > WHY AREN'T THE OWNERS OF THESE
>> > PROPERTIES DEFENDING THEIR
>> > PROPERTY?
>> >
>> > Why are't shop owners spraying the
>> > looters with automatic weapons fire?
>> >
>> > Becaus
At 9:40 PM -0400 7/15/01, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>This is amazing. If anything like this was even attempted in DC,
>we'd have dozens of federal agencies, and perhaps armed troops,
>converging on the U.S. Capitol.
They had that happen in Nashville as well. The Cops showed up minutes into
At 7:55 PM -1000 7/12/01, Reese wrote:
>This makes it likely for Ashcrap's justice department to drop the case,
>which means a clear 2nd Amendment issue will not go to the SCoTUS, which
>means as soon as this case is out of the pipeline, they can "change"
>their policy just like they just did. Es
At 11:45 PM -0700 7/12/01, Matt Beland wrote:
>It's a moot point anyway, but for the record, the Outer Space Treaty of 1967
>states that no nation may claim jurisdiction or territory beyond the limits
>of Earth's atmosphere, which is spelled out in a separate treaty as being
>100km altitude ab
>For Jah's sake, tossing a dog into traffic only gets you probation...
Huh? FWIR the Poodle Puncher got prison time.
>Nonsense, that's not what I said at all. I raised some serious issues--and
>all ad-hominem attacks aside, here are a few more for anyone who feels up
>for it:
>
>Can you see a fundamental difference between activism/protest/resistance
>that makes a difference and "illegal operations on the stree
>Um, wouldn't a natural way to assess property taxes be to first decide
>in which jurisdiction the property rests? For instance project the
One of the points that L.A. County is using to assess these
taxes is that it is property that owned by a (to them) local
corporation that *isn't* i
>In adopting the black outfit the Black Bloc has made themselves easier
>to single out.
>
>What about doing something a little more sophisticated like, say,
>everyone wears jeans and sneakers and rolls a die to choose :
>
>Baseball cap, bandana, t-shirt color.
>
>Limit the garb to a small set of c
>>The progression was reasonably simple, as I recall.
>>
>>First, the people are conditioned to accept "harsh reality", survival
>> of the fittest, etc.
>
>Teaching people this fact might do wonders for getting ten million
>leeches off the welfare rolls and state subsidy scams, so I applaud
>On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, A. Melon wrote:
>
>>They've got a good idea -- one of the tactics used by cops for quite
>>awhile is to have undercover agents in the crowd who spot the *real*
>>troublemakers, leaders, etc. and then often an "affinity squad" will
>>target that individual. By making it very di
>> From: petro[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>
>> Mr. May:
>>
>> >One of the interesting things is that _ear shape_ is one of the best
>> >correlation features.
>>
>> Hmmm...
>>
>> Maybe it's time to market a li
>At 1:22 PM -0400 10/10/00, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>>I think communism has too many negative connotations to be used
>>nowadays... So communitarian is a new word for the old philosophy.
>>Kinda like progressive as a replacement for statist or whatnot.
>>
>>-Declan
>
>Why give them a term which,
>On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>> At 23:38 10/9/2000 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote:
>> >I seem to remember Etzioni being tied into the Communitarian
>> >movement as well.
>>
>> Right. In fact, that's an understatement.
>>
>> He's essentially the anti-cypherpunk: Regulate corporatio
>At 10:52 AM 10/6/00 -0400, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>>For the sake of us audiophiles, please don't. MP3 is tinny and flat
>>at best;
>
>Then why are you 'audiophiles' traumatizing yourselves by listening
>to it?
>
> it ticks me off that most folks seem to hear it as "good
>>enough", because if most
>On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Tom Vogt wrote:
>
>
>>I'm currently thinking of whether or not it is feasable to put stego
>>data into EVERY .mp3 downloaded. just put random data into those not
>>intended to carry a message.
>
>For the sake of us audiophiles, please don't. MP3 is tinny and flat
>at best; it
Ping?
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"Campaigns to bear-proof all garbage containers in wild areas have been
difficult because, as one biologist put it, `There is a considerable overlap
between the intelligence levels of the smartest bears and the
>On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, petro wrote:
>
>> >The Mac OS allows "groups" and suchlike privileges to be set, mainly
>> >for networking. But the basic machine, and programs on it, have all
>>
>> IIRC, the current file system doesn't even have the
Mr May:
>So does the Mac, at least for non-server versions. So does OS/2, I'm sure.
From what I remember, there is no difference between the
server versions of MacOS (with the exception of MacOS X server, which
isn't really MacOS) as far as security at the console is concerned.
>The M
>At 02:26 PM 6/22/00 -0400, Tim May wrote:
>
>>I could be smug and say that I didn't get it because I use Eudora Pro on a
>>_Macintosh_, not that "Microsoft crap."
>>
>>However, "Microsoft crap" is the main target for virus distributors
>>because it is so ubiquitous, and because this is what most
>At 10:04 AM 6/22/00 -0400, Sunder wrote:
>>Yes, I do. Basically, I've reinstalled the OS, and switched everything
>>around, and told them to go fuck themselves. Sure, they could have fired
>>me, but that wouldn't have been my loss.
>>
>>Everyone else got the love virus and the joke virus, I jus
>At 01:33 6/16/2000 -0400, petro wrote:
>> Depending on what you mean by "recognized", it has. There
>>was a decision in British Courts that Sealand was outside the
>>jurisdiction of the courts, and the Dutch sent a diplomat to
>>discuss releasing s
Matt:
>I just got around to reading the print article in the July 2000 issue
>of Wired "Welcome to Sealand, Now Bugger Off" By Simson Garfinkel
>(pages 230-239). Here is a quote: "The Sealanders are arming
>themselves for self-defense: Plans call for "50-caliber heavy machine
>guns, 5.56 automa
>petro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> If the SAS are coming through the front door, you just went bankrupt.
>>
>> If England, France, Belgium etc. *new* that you would dump a
>> massively toxic witches brew into their fishing waters, they might
&g
>I hate press releases more than most folks. A well-known
>Cypherpunks-dominated company used to issue press releases in which
>the press release would have commentary from the president, almost as
>if a reporter was writing the story.
You probably know this already, as I assume it was be
Mr May:
>Will they sign up tens of millions?
>
>Myself, I'm wondering if they'll sign up a fraction of the 300,000
>they need at minimum. Ever, not just per year.
"Freedom 1.1 is currently available for Windows 95 or 98 only."
It's been what, a year now? No Unix/Linux/Solaris cl
> >Simply fill one of the lower legs of the platfrom with
> >mercury, and a little high explosives. Have a panic button in the ops
> >center. The SAS lands, and 1000 gallons of pure mercury are blasted
> >out into the channel. That wouldn't be nice.
>
>Plays heck with your mercury delay li
Mr May:
>
>
>You also have no appreciation of the concept of "initiation of
>force." The break up of Microsoft is initiation of force. Period.
The ordered breakup of Microsoft is no more an "initiation of
force" than any of the times microsoft filed dubious lawsuits against
smaller comp
>Lucky:
>
> >I agree with Peter in that Sealand may wish to consider adding a nuke to
> >their budget of small arms. Nuclear powers are the only sovereigns that
> >command any kind of respect from the other members in the club.
>
>Kick that N up to BC arms so the start-up budget is doable. The
First, get some really bad actors, then a mediocre crew, and some
no-name director. Attach a budget of $90 million, with $50 million
of that slated for advertising. Release against something like MI:2
or a Disney release. Voila! Instant bomb.
Battlefield Earth.
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>John,
>
>The gist of my first post was :
>
>There's a lot of crap everywhere you look. What is "unpopular" or
>different is not always of value in and of itself. Perhaps as a measure
>of our civil liberties it is indirectly of some small value.
No, it is of some value even if the *only*
>> God will take away our money, and our health. He will destroy our
>>families and
>> our lifestyles. If you think I'm wrong, you've been living in a bubble, and
>> that bubble is about to burst. Cancer is rising, and people who are evil
>> enough to get it and get cured only get more and mo
Mr. May said:
>
>Seems to me a few dozen Cuban-Americans and more than a couple of
>judges need to be dealt with.
Break Southern Florida off and tow it 90 miles south. Nuking
it would be too nice to the Facists that live there.
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>You just need a network of cypherpunks with radio scanners, direction
>finders and GPSs, a way to recognize different cops by their radio
>transmissions, and a way to communicate the cop location vector data
>amongst the cypherpunk participants. Recipients need only do the
>triangulation using
>Michelle, you idiot, what makes you think his father has any rights? His
>father is a Cuban subject who has not requested asylum. Elian _has_
>requested asylum. Once joined with his father, do you think the Just Us
>Dept. will lift a finger to prevent the father from returning to his
>despica
Mr. May wrote:
>I will gladly set the defaults back to "No MIME," as soon as I can
>find out how. Anyone know? (I see nothing in Settings to set.)
There is the button with "QP" on the button bar. If this is
not "pressed", Mime "Quoted Printable" will not be used no matter
what.
>My fellow Cypherpunks,
>Note: I am assuming that Tim May is not doing some kind of spoof
>here. What he reports sounds like a sort of vicious fantasy.
I think it was a "spoof", or a "prediction". Reread these parts:
---From May's post:
>Microsoft Acknowledges Its Engineers
>Placed S
> After Bell, a cypherpunk who the United States government dubbed a
> techno-terrorist, is released Friday at 10 a.m. PDT, he plans to exact
> revenge on the system that imprisoned him.
If a mouse plans to bell the cat, it's generally not a good
idea to display the bell to the ca
>Huh?
>
>How is it a criticism? The use of quotations was to indicate that I
>was attributing the achievment to the list, rather than to any individuals
>who may or may not call themselves by that name.
>
>Or do you regard association of the list with the bruting efforts as
>somehow a criticism?
>
Mr. May said:
>If people won't read Friedman or Hayek or Rand or Nozick or
>whatever, why will they read the refutations from folks like us?
Yes, some (many?) will.
I've read a bit of Rand and Hayek, not as much as many on
this list, but some, and the problem with dealing with
>Tom Vogt wrote:
>>
>> but all this is hypothetical, since I'm not talking about industrial
>> power of 1900 or 1940, but of corporate power in 2000, and especially of
>> the years yet to come.
>
>Ok, so give us some documentation. How many people did Bill Gates & Co kill
>and what are the details
>On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, Petro wrote:
>
>> Choate wrote:
>
>> The only relevant question is whether they used force--in
>> this case the force of government to do this. In this case the answer
>> is "sometimes".
>
>At what point did MS threaten th
Mr May said:
>At 11:27 AM -0400 4/8/00, Marcel Popescu wrote:
>>X-Loop: openpgp.net
>>From: Lizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> I believe it was either Stalin or Goering who, when told the Catholic
>>> Church disapproved of their latest genocide, replied "So how many
>> > divisions does the Pope hav
Sunder wrote:
>Sounds a lot like communism to me. Hell, if the "workers" commonly own
>something, it's communism. They don't work for themselves individually,
No, it's called "Employee Stock Purchase Plans" aka "Stock Options".
>monarchy, socialism, fascism, communism, dictatorship -
>> > Or should we debate the meaning of "is" also?
>>
>> how about the meaning of "socialist"? at the moment, your definition of
>> it seems to be "everything outside of my personal opinion".
>
>I would define it as, to secure for the workers by hand or brain the full
>fruits of their labour by me
Reeses Peices:
>Try saying something good about Reagan, I wanna see if you can.
He had good hair for a man his age.
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the First
>But if you know of a better government to live under, might I humbly
>inquire as to why you CHOSE to live here? If I knew of a government
>which was more to my tastes, I'd make myself a citizen of it.
If they'd let you.
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Burnes wrote:
>BTW: For 100 points name the three types of monopolies that can exist?
>Why can only one of them exist without govenment support? Why can
>only one of them exist temporarily?
Well, let's see if I can get this right, keeping in mind that
even though I'm a college graduate,
>> >Based on Moore's Law, this means it will be secure on computers roughly
>> >10,000 times more powerful than today's systems. How likely is that?
>
>>Its not hard to imagine, if all we're talking about is brute force attacks.
>
>Those are essentially the numbers I came up with as well. Howeve
>Hardly. More along the lines of sheeple liking a pretty GUI, and
>right now there
>are no alternatives in their eyes. Show most users a *NIX box and
>they're gonna
>ask you why you're still using DOS... (True, I know a few that
>actually said that...)
So launch Xdm, and they never
Choate wrote:
>On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Tim May wrote:
>
>> At 3:28 AM -0400 4/5/00, Tom Vogt wrote:
>> >Lucky Green wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I'd say that Phill is summing up the facts rather nicely. To all those
>> >> celebrating the "victory" of the largest Borg known to man
>>(the USG) over
>> >> Micr
>I'd say that Phill is summing up the facts rather nicely. To all those
>celebrating the "victory" of the largest Borg known to man (the USG) over
>Microsoft: if they can outlaw Windows, they can outlaw Linux. Anyway, at its
I found this http://www.2ndlawlib.org/journals/okslip.html
toda
>Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> >I suppose all things must pass - the net is just another in a long list.
>> >It is being treated the same way people treat everything - if you can't
>> >tame it, kill it. No appreciation for the finer things in life.
>>
>> We and other freedom fighters ha
>entering 'AFDC' as their occupation (Aid to Families with Dependent
>Children, i.e. welfare), kids being dragged through crackhouses from birth
"Aid to Families of Dependent Classes".
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If the courts star
Vogt:
>I don't think they had any of these deep thoughts. they were just pissed
>that the software wouldn't tell them what it did. I occasionally rip
>software apart for very similiar reasons, like finding out what it does,
>or how it does it. if curiosity is a crime, we should all go back and
>li
Reese:
>"White inside" is an evolution of "oreo." "Uncle Tom" has fallen out of
>vogue, in the circles I've frequented.
I'm picturing slightly modified Intel/Big Brother/Evil inside
type sticker.
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If the
May has said:
>I got my form today. It's worse than I thought. Though I got the
>version written mostly in English, not the Ebonics version.
<...>
>There's a special question in which one is required by law to
>specifically say one either is or is not Hispanic. (Though I think a
>person born of
>--
>At 11:54 PM 3/13/00 -0800, Tim May wrote:
>> If one is more than 1/128th negro, one is "African-American." Though
>> I've never understood why this is not just marked "niggah," as
>> niggah is what the niggaz almost always refer to each other as.
>
>All of the people I know with signific
>At 3:44 AM -0800 3/5/00, Petro wrote:
>>>And the four cops were of course not dressed as cops...they were part of
>>>the "Street Crimes Unit," meaning they were supposed to blend in by looking
>>>like street thugs.
>>>What Yabba.. thought was g
>On Sun, 5 Mar 2000, reject wrote:
>
>> Obviously, assorted FedGoons(tm) dislike untraceable money. Nasty
>> terrorists, child pornographers, drug dealers, and other horsemen could
>> hide their "profits" then...
>>
>> But is there a *legitimate* reason to have anti-money-laundering laws? I
>> c
>X-Loop: openpgp.net
>From: Jim Choate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Ever hear of Esperanto?
>
>Yeah. What was your point?
The top of his head?
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