Private records scattered in the wind (FLA)

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On special objects, and Judy Miller's treason

2005-10-25 Thread Major Variola (ret)
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Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-l ike Payment Systems

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RE: On special objects, and Judy Miller's treason

2005-10-25 Thread Tyler Durden
Its unfortunate that some posters had to be reminded that anyone calling for government-licensed reporters (and religions, as one author included) deserves to have their carbon recycled, because of the treason to the BoR. Tim May used to call government licensed citizens special objects. Search

[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Publicizing Hidden Services]

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Skype security evaluation]

2005-10-24 Thread cyphrpunk
On 10/23/05, Travis H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding of the peer-to-peer key agreement protocol (hereafter p2pka) is based on section 3.3 and 3.4.2 and is something like this: A - B: N_ab B - A: N_ba B - A: Sign{f(N_ab)}_a A - B: Sign{f(N_ba)}_b A - B: Sign{A, K_a}_SKYPE B -

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-24 Thread cyphrpunk
On 10/22/05, Ian G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: R. Hirschfeld wrote: This is not strictly correct. The payer can reveal the blinding factor, making the payment traceable. I believe Chaum deliberately chose for one-way untraceability (untraceable by the payee but not by the payer) in order

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-24 Thread Steve Schear
At 11:14 AM 10/24/2005, cyphrpunk wrote: Note that e-gold, which originally sold non-reversibility as a key benefit of the system, found that this feature attracted Ponzi schemes and fraudsters of all stripes, and eventually it was forced to reverse transactions and freeze accounts. It's not

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-24 Thread John Kelsey
From: cyphrpunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 24, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems On 10/22/05, Ian G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that e-gold, which originally sold non-reversibility as a key benefit of the system, found

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-24 Thread cyphrpunk
On 10/24/05, Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think E-gold ever held out its system as non-reversible with proper court order. All reverses I am aware happened either due to some technical problem with their system or an order from a court of competence in the matter at hand.

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-24 Thread cyphrpunk
On 10/24/05, John Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More to the point, an irreversible payment system raises big practical problems in a world full of very hard-to-secure PCs running the relevant software. One exploitable software bug, properly used, can steal an enormous amount of money in an

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-24 Thread Daniel A. Nagy
On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 02:58:32PM -0700, cyphrpunk wrote: Digital wallets will require real security in user PCs. Still I don't see why we don't already have this problem with online banking and similar financial services. Couldn't a virus today steal people's passwords and command their

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-24 Thread Daniel A. Nagy

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-24 Thread Daniel A. Nagy
One intresting security measure protecting valuable digital assets (WM protects private keys this way) is inflating them before encryption. While it does not protect agains trojan applications, it does a surprisingly good job at reducing attacks following the key logging + file theft pattern.

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Re: [PracticalSecurity] Anonymity - great technology but hardly used

2005-10-24 Thread cyphrpunk
http://www.hbarel.com/Blog/entry0006.html I believe that for anonymity and pseudonymity technologies to survive they have to be applied to applications that require them by design, rather than to mass-market applications that can also do (cheaper) without. If anonymity mechanisms are

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-24 Thread R.A. Hettinga
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Re: Judy Miller needing killing

2005-10-24 Thread John Kelsey
The question is, can she defy a subpoena based on membership in the privileged Reporter class that an ordinary person could not defy? It seems like the real question is how membership in the class is determined. If anyone who's acting like a reporter in a certain context (say, Adam Shostack

[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Skype security evaluation]

2005-10-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
- Forwarded message from Steven M. Bellovin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Steven M. Bellovin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:48:37 -0400 To: cryptography@metzdowd.com Subject: Skype security evaluation X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with nmh-1.0.4 Skype has released an

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Skype security evaluation]

2005-10-24 Thread Travis H.
That's a fairly interesting review, and Skype should be commended for hiring someone to do it. I hope to see more evaluations from vendors in the future. However, I have a couple of suggestions. My understanding of the peer-to-peer key agreement protocol (hereafter p2pka) is based on section

Re: cypherpunks@minder.net closing on 11/1

2005-10-24 Thread cyphrpunk
On 10/13/05, Brian Minder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The minder.net CDR node will be shutting down on November 1, 2005. This includes the cypherpunks-moderated list. Please adjust your subscriptions accordingly. Gmail would facilitate automating a new cypherpunks-moderated list. Gmail's spam

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Skype security evaluation]

2005-10-24 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message - Subject: [Tom Berson Skype Security Evaluation] Tom Berson's conclusion is incorrect. One needs only to take a look at the publicly available information. I couldn't find an immediate reference directly from the Skype website, but it uses 1024-bit RSA keys, the

Blood, Bullets, Bombs and Bandwidth

2005-10-24 Thread R.A. Hettinga
--- begin forwarded text Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 01:50:38 -0400 To: Philodox Clips List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Blood, Bullets, Bombs and Bandwidth The long version of the Wired Story on Ryan Lackey, including lots more about Tyler Wagner, who I've

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Skype security evaluation]

2005-10-24 Thread cyphrpunk
On 10/23/05, Travis H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding of the peer-to-peer key agreement protocol (hereafter p2pka) is based on section 3.3 and 3.4.2 and is something like this: A - B: N_ab B - A: N_ba B - A: Sign{f(N_ab)}_a A - B: Sign{f(N_ba)}_b A - B: Sign{A, K_a}_SKYPE B -

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-24 Thread cyphrpunk
On 10/22/05, Ian G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: R. Hirschfeld wrote: This is not strictly correct. The payer can reveal the blinding factor, making the payment traceable. I believe Chaum deliberately chose for one-way untraceability (untraceable by the payee but not by the payer) in order

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-24 Thread John Kelsey
From: cyphrpunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 24, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems On 10/22/05, Ian G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that e-gold, which originally sold non-reversibility as a key benefit of the system, found

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

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At 11:14 AM 10/24/2005, cyphrpunk wrote: Note that e-gold, which originally sold non-reversibility as a key benefit of the system, found that this feature attracted Ponzi schemes and fraudsters of all stripes, and eventually it was forced to reverse transactions and freeze accounts. It's not

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Skype security evaluation]

2005-10-23 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message - Subject: [Tom Berson Skype Security Evaluation] Tom Berson's conclusion is incorrect. One needs only to take a look at the publicly available information. I couldn't find an immediate reference directly from the Skype website, but it uses 1024-bit RSA keys, the

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Skype security evaluation]

2005-10-23 Thread Travis H.
That's a fairly interesting review, and Skype should be commended for hiring someone to do it. I hope to see more evaluations from vendors in the future. However, I have a couple of suggestions. My understanding of the peer-to-peer key agreement protocol (hereafter p2pka) is based on section

Blood, Bullets, Bombs and Bandwidth

2005-10-22 Thread R.A. Hettinga
--- begin forwarded text Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 01:50:38 -0400 To: Philodox Clips List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Blood, Bullets, Bombs and Bandwidth The long version of the Wired Story on Ryan Lackey, including lots more about Tyler Wagner, who I've

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]: nym paper preprint]

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Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-22 Thread Ian G
R. Hirschfeld wrote: Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:31:39 -0700 From: cyphrpunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. Cash payments are final. After the fact, the paying party has no means to reverse the payment. We call this property of cash transactions _irreversibility_. Certainly Chaum ecash has this

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Re: Judy Miller needing killing

2005-10-22 Thread John Kelsey
The question is, can she defy a subpoena based on membership in the privileged Reporter class that an ordinary person could not defy? It seems like the real question is how membership in the class is determined. If anyone who's acting like a reporter in a certain context (say, Adam Shostack

[EMAIL PROTECTED]: [IP] CALEA and Colleges]

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Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-21 Thread R. Hirschfeld
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:31:39 -0700 From: cyphrpunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. Cash payments are final. After the fact, the paying party has no means to reverse the payment. We call this property of cash transactions _irreversibility_. Certainly Chaum ecash has this property. Because

[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: SSL fro hidden services]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]: nym-0.4 released (now includes Javascript)]

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Re: Judy Miller needing killing

2005-10-21 Thread Tyler Durden
Cyphrpunk wrote... The notion that someone who is willing to spend months in jail just to keep a promise of silence needs killing is beyond bizarre and is downright evil. This list supports the rights of individuals to tell the government to go to hell, and that is exactly what Judy Miller

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Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-21 Thread cyphrpunk
On 10/20/05, R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:32 AM +0200 10/21/05, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: Could you give us a reference to this one, please? Google is your friend, dude. Before making unitary global claims like you just did, you might consider consulting the literature. It's out

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-21 Thread cyphrpunk
On 10/20/05, Daniel A. Nagy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 03:36:54PM -0700, cyphrpunk wrote: As far as the issue of receipts in Chaumian ecash, there have been a couple of approaches discussed. The simplest goes like this. If Alice will pay Bob, Bob supplies Alice

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-21 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 11:17 AM -0700 10/21/05, someone who can't afford a vowel, Alex, ;-) expressed his anal glands thusly in my general direction: You're such an asshole. My, my. Tetchy, this morning, oh vowelless one... At 11:17 AM -0700 10/21/05, cyphrpunk wrote: This is what you characterized as a unitary

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-21 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 10:23 PM +0200 10/20/05, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: The referred 1988 paper proposes an off-line system Please. You can just as easily do an on-line system, and still have blind signatures, including m=m=2 shared secret signature hiding to prevent double spending. In fact, the *only* viable way to

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-21 Thread Daniel A. Nagy
On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 07:34:34PM -0400, R.A. Hettinga wrote: At 12:32 AM +0200 10/21/05, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: Could you give us a reference to this one, please? Google is your friend, dude. Before making unitary global claims like you just did, you might consider consulting the

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-21 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 2:36 AM +0200 10/21/05, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: With all due respect, this was unnecessarily rude, unfair and unwarranted. This is the *cypherpunks* list, guy... :-) Silvio Micali is a very prolific author and he published more than one paper on more than one exchange protocol And I just got

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-21 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 12:32 AM +0200 10/21/05, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: Could you give us a reference to this one, please? Google is your friend, dude. Before making unitary global claims like you just did, you might consider consulting the literature. It's out there. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A.

Re: The price of failure

2005-10-21 Thread Michael Silk
They won't be changing it: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/09/googlebombing-failure.html On 10/21/05, Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quick, before they change it: search Google using the term failure (without the quotes)

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-21 Thread Daniel A. Nagy
On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 05:19:49PM -0400, R.A. Hettinga wrote: BTW, you can exchange cash for goods, or other chaumian bearer certificates -- or receipts, for that matter, with a simple exchange protocol. Micali did one for email ten years ago, for instance. Could you give us a reference to

The price of failure

2005-10-21 Thread Steve Schear
Quick, before they change it: search Google using the term failure (without the quotes)

Re: The price of failure

2005-10-21 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 6:22 PM -0700 10/20/05, Steve Schear wrote: Quick, before they change it: search Google using the term failure Yawn. That, or something like it, has been there for years, Steve... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-21 Thread cyphrpunk
As far as the issue of receipts in Chaumian ecash, there have been a couple of approaches discussed. The simplest goes like this. If Alice will pay Bob, Bob supplies Alice with a blinded proto-coin, along with a signed statement, I will perform service X if Alice supplies me with a mint signature

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-21 Thread R. Hirschfeld
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:31:39 -0700 From: cyphrpunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. Cash payments are final. After the fact, the paying party has no means to reverse the payment. We call this property of cash transactions _irreversibility_. Certainly Chaum ecash has this property. Because

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-21 Thread Daniel A. Nagy
On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 03:36:54PM -0700, cyphrpunk wrote: As far as the issue of receipts in Chaumian ecash, there have been a couple of approaches discussed. The simplest goes like this. If Alice will pay Bob, Bob supplies Alice with a blinded proto-coin, along with a signed statement, I

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-21 Thread cyphrpunk
On 10/20/05, Daniel A. Nagy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 03:36:54PM -0700, cyphrpunk wrote: As far as the issue of receipts in Chaumian ecash, there have been a couple of approaches discussed. The simplest goes like this. If Alice will pay Bob, Bob supplies Alice

Re: Judy Miller needing killing

2005-10-21 Thread Tyler Durden
Cyphrpunk wrote... The notion that someone who is willing to spend months in jail just to keep a promise of silence needs killing is beyond bizarre and is downright evil. This list supports the rights of individuals to tell the government to go to hell, and that is exactly what Judy Miller

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-21 Thread cyphrpunk
On 10/20/05, R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:32 AM +0200 10/21/05, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: Could you give us a reference to this one, please? Google is your friend, dude. Before making unitary global claims like you just did, you might consider consulting the literature. It's out

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2005-10-20 Thread cyphrpunk
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Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-20 Thread cyphrpunk
Let's take a look at Daniel Nagy's list of desirable features for an ecash system and see how simple, on-line Chaum ecash fares. http://www.epointsystem.org/~nagydani/ICETE2005.pdf One of the reasons, in the author s opinion, is that payment systems based on similar schemes lack some key

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Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-20 Thread Daniel A. Nagy
Thank you for the detailed critique! I think, we're not talking about the same Chaumian cash. The referred 1988 paper proposes an off-line system, where double spending compromises anonymity and results in transaction reversal. I agree with you that it was a mistake on my part to deny its

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-20 Thread David Alexander Molnar
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, cyphrpunk wrote: system without excessive complications. Only the fifth point, the ability for outsiders to monitor the amount of cash in circulation, is not satisfied. But even then, the ecash mint software, and procedures and controls followed by the issuer, could be

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Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-20 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 10:23 PM +0200 10/20/05, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: The referred 1988 paper proposes an off-line system Please. You can just as easily do an on-line system, and still have blind signatures, including m=m=2 shared secret signature hiding to prevent double spending. In fact, the *only* viable way to

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-20 Thread Daniel A. Nagy
On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 05:19:49PM -0400, R.A. Hettinga wrote: BTW, you can exchange cash for goods, or other chaumian bearer certificates -- or receipts, for that matter, with a simple exchange protocol. Micali did one for email ten years ago, for instance. Could you give us a reference to

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-20 Thread cyphrpunk
As far as the issue of receipts in Chaumian ecash, there have been a couple of approaches discussed. The simplest goes like this. If Alice will pay Bob, Bob supplies Alice with a blinded proto-coin, along with a signed statement, I will perform service X if Alice supplies me with a mint signature

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-20 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 12:32 AM +0200 10/21/05, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: Could you give us a reference to this one, please? Google is your friend, dude. Before making unitary global claims like you just did, you might consider consulting the literature. It's out there. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A.

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-20 Thread Daniel A. Nagy
On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 03:36:54PM -0700, cyphrpunk wrote: As far as the issue of receipts in Chaumian ecash, there have been a couple of approaches discussed. The simplest goes like this. If Alice will pay Bob, Bob supplies Alice with a blinded proto-coin, along with a signed statement, I

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Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-20 Thread Daniel A. Nagy
On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 07:34:34PM -0400, R.A. Hettinga wrote: At 12:32 AM +0200 10/21/05, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: Could you give us a reference to this one, please? Google is your friend, dude. Before making unitary global claims like you just did, you might consider consulting the

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

2005-10-20 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 2:36 AM +0200 10/21/05, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: With all due respect, this was unnecessarily rude, unfair and unwarranted. This is the *cypherpunks* list, guy... :-) Silvio Micali is a very prolific author and he published more than one paper on more than one exchange protocol And I just got

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