Re: CDR: Re: Spammers Would Be Made To Pay Under IBM Research Proposal

2003-03-23 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Thomas Shaddack wrote: On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, J.A. Terranson wrote: To date, my personal pet has been payment in computationally intensive solutions to questions posed by the recipient. This forced expenditure of effort, even if minor, removes the spammer's incentive

Re: CDR: Re: Spammers Would Be Made To Pay Under IBM Research Proposal

2003-03-22 Thread Jamie Lawrence
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Steve Schear wrote: I guess you have unlimited time and consider your time worthless. Its not That doesn't follow at all. I consider my limited time very valuble. I simply believe creating an artificial scarcity at the infrastructure level a bad way to address spam.

Re: CDR: Re: Spammers Would Be Made To Pay Under IBM Research Proposal

2003-03-22 Thread Jamie Lawrence
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, James A. Donald wrote: The intention is sender pays, recipient is paid, reflecting the real scarcity of readers time. Mailing lists would be sent Which in the real world will never happen. Sender-pays, if deployed, will end up being something like MS's Penny Black,

Fwd: Re: CDR: Re: Spammers Would Be Made To Pay Under IBM Research Proposal

2003-03-22 Thread Steve Schear
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 14:18:10 -0500 From: Jamie Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CDR: Re: Spammers Would Be Made To Pay Under IBM Research Proposal Mail-Followup-To: Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: CDR: Re: Spammers Would Be Made To Pay Under IBM Research Proposal

2003-03-22 Thread Steve Schear
At 07:10 PM 3/22/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: On Saturday, March 22, 2003, at 03:49 PM, Steve Schear wrote: Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 14:18:10 -0500 From: Jamie Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CDR: Re: Spammers Would Be Made To Pay

Re: CDR: Re: Spammers Would Be Made To Pay Under IBM Research Proposal

2003-03-22 Thread James A. Donald
-- The intention is sender pays, recipient is paid, reflecting the real scarcity of readers time. Mailing lists would be sent out without postage, but with cryptographic signature, and subscribers would have to OK it. Letters to the list would be accompanied by payment, which

Re: CDR: Re: CDR: Re: Spammers Would Be Made To Pay Under IBM Research Proposal

2003-03-22 Thread Tim May
On Saturday, March 22, 2003, at 03:49 PM, Steve Schear wrote: Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 14:18:10 -0500 From: Jamie Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CDR: Re: Spammers Would Be Made To Pay Under IBM Research Proposal Mail-Followup

Re: CDR: Re: Spammers Would Be Made To Pay Under IBM Research Proposal

2003-03-22 Thread Jamie Lawrence
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, James A. Donald wrote: The intention is sender pays, recipient is paid, reflecting the real scarcity of readers time. Mailing lists would be sent Which in the real world will never happen. Sender-pays, if deployed, will end up being something like MS's Penny Black,

Re: CDR: Re: Spammers Would Be Made To Pay Under IBM Research Proposal

2003-03-22 Thread Thomas Shaddack
The intention is sender pays, recipient is paid, reflecting the real scarcity of readers time. Mailing lists would be sent out without postage, but with cryptographic signature, and subscribers would have to OK it. Letters to the list would be accompanied by payment, which would be

Fwd: Re: CDR: Re: Spammers Would Be Made To Pay Under IBM Research Proposal

2003-03-22 Thread Steve Schear
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 14:18:10 -0500 From: Jamie Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CDR: Re: Spammers Would Be Made To Pay Under IBM Research Proposal Mail-Followup-To: Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: CDR: Re: CDR: Re: Spammers Would Be Made To Pay Under IBM Research Proposal

2003-03-22 Thread Tim May
On Saturday, March 22, 2003, at 03:49 PM, Steve Schear wrote: Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 14:18:10 -0500 From: Jamie Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CDR: Re: Spammers Would Be Made To Pay Under IBM Research Proposal Mail-Followup

Re: CDR: Re: Spammers Would Be Made To Pay Under IBM Research Proposal

2003-03-21 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 21 Mar 2003 at 23:01, Jamie Lawrence wrote: We all want to get rid of spam. I think most folks on this list are in favor of using market dynamics to influence behaviour. I think adding an artificial fee to sending email is stupid. It is creating false scarcity to fix a broken