Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II

2004-03-02 Thread Tyler Durden
a truck' -TD From: Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 22:11:42 -0800 At 07:42 AM 3/1/2004, sunder wrote: Interesting. I guess my basic question is, is there a subset of counter

Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II

2004-03-02 Thread Steve Schear
At 06:50 AM 3/2/2004, Tyler Durden wrote: How about a pseudo random conversation generator appliance for the person trying to mask their speech. If it closely models the vocal tract, language and language characteristics of the speaker it might be extremely difficult to remove as background

Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II

2004-03-02 Thread Tyler Durden
a truck' -TD From: Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 22:11:42 -0800 At 07:42 AM 3/1/2004, sunder wrote: Interesting. I guess my basic question is, is there a subset of counter

Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II

2004-03-02 Thread Steve Schear
At 06:50 AM 3/2/2004, Tyler Durden wrote: How about a pseudo random conversation generator appliance for the person trying to mask their speech. If it closely models the vocal tract, language and language characteristics of the speaker it might be extremely difficult to remove as background

Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II

2004-03-01 Thread sunder
Steve Furlong wrote: On Sun, 2004-02-29 at 17:19, Major Variola (ret.) forwarded: Blix says US spied on him over Iraq ... It feels like an intrusion into your integrity in a situation when you are actually on the same side. Begging the question of whether Blix was actually on the same side

RE: Gentlemen reading mail part II

2004-03-01 Thread Tyler Durden
Interesting. I guess my basic question is, is there a subset of counter-surveillance actions that can be taken that, while not ensuring secure communications, forces eavesdropping parties to take 'radical' measures in order to obtain the desired information? In other words, if they have to

Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II

2004-03-01 Thread sunder
Tyler Durden wrote: Interesting. I guess my basic question is, is there a subset of counter-surveillance actions that can be taken that, while not ensuring secure communications, forces eavesdropping parties to take 'radical' measures in order to obtain the desired information? In other words,

Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II (opsec review)

2004-03-01 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 09:46 AM 3/1/04 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: I guess my basic question is, is there a subset of counter-surveillance actions that can be taken that, while not ensuring secure communications, forces eavesdropping parties to take 'radical' measures in order to obtain the desired information?

Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II (opsec review)

2004-03-01 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 10:01 AM -0800 3/1/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: (What was that Brit town sacrificed so the Germans wouldn't know the codes were broken? Starts with C...) Coventry... Ancient cathedral, etc... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer

Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II (opsec review)

2004-03-01 Thread Tyler Durden
...at the very least, leaving the CD player in 'perpetual' mode can force some heavy human investment in time and energy. -TD From: R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II

Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II (opsec review)

2004-03-01 Thread Justin
Major Variola (ret) (2004-03-01 18:01Z) wrote: In order to avoid places with ears (and homeless people with directional mics, see _Enemy of the State_) go to a park that you haven't been to before. And perform the usual CI driving maneuvres (see that Tomlinson book _The Big Breach_ for a

Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II

2004-03-01 Thread Steve Furlong
On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 10:42, sunder wrote: For example, one way to piss them off is to attempt to sing when you have zero singing skills, and do it for hours on end, purposely off key, abusing whatever instrument is available... Ugh. I did _not_ want to think about Kofi Annan yodeling for

Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II (opsec review)

2004-03-01 Thread Nomen Nescio
Justin says: If they know you're trying to shake them, that alerts them and eliminates any opportunity you might have otherwise had to feed them misinformation in the future. That's when you strap on the C-4 vest. Zombie Monger

Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II (opsec review)

2004-03-01 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 10:01 AM -0800 3/1/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: (What was that Brit town sacrificed so the Germans wouldn't know the codes were broken? Starts with C...) Coventry... Ancient cathedral, etc... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer

Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II (opsec review)

2004-03-01 Thread Nomen Nescio
Justin says: If they know you're trying to shake them, that alerts them and eliminates any opportunity you might have otherwise had to feed them misinformation in the future. That's when you strap on the C-4 vest. Zombie Monger

Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II

2004-02-29 Thread Steve Furlong
On Sun, 2004-02-29 at 17:19, Major Variola (ret.) forwarded: Blix says US spied on him over Iraq ... It feels like an intrusion into your integrity in a situation when you are actually on the same side. Begging the question of whether Blix was actually on the same side as the Brits or the

Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II

2004-02-29 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 09:16 PM 2/29/04 -0500, Steve Furlong wrote: On Sun, 2004-02-29 at 17:19, Major Variola (ret.) forwarded: Blix says US spied on him over Iraq ... It feels like an intrusion into your integrity in a situation when you are actually on the same side. Begging the question of whether Blix was