RE: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-09-02 Thread jamesd
-- On 1 Sep 2001, at 16:12, Faustine wrote: All I'm saying is that if the feds are doing their job well, they won't stick out at all. Smells like a witch hunt. Fortunately government employees seldom do their jobs well. --digsig James A. Donald

RE: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-09-01 Thread jamesd
-- Whether Aimee is a fed or not, her quite genuine ignorance made her incapable of knowing what views sounded cypherpunkish, and what views sounded violently anti cypherpunkish. If she is a fed, she probably also goes around buying crack and pretending to be a thirteen year

RE: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-09-01 Thread Faustine
Jim wrote: On 31 Aug 2001, at 15:21, Faustine wrote: Bah, it's dangerous to be so sure. And all the fevered talk about Aimee being a fed is hysterical. Feds tend to stick out in the same way she does. That does not prove she is a fed of course, it is not even particularly good evidence

RE: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-08-31 Thread jamesd
-- On 29 Aug 2001, at 14:25, Faustine wrote: Which reminds me, I don't know why people here seem to think that any sort of deception operation would come from people who show up using nyms to express unpopular opinions. (e.g. you said something I don't want to hear; threfore its FUD

RE: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-08-31 Thread Faustine
Jim wrote: On 29 Aug 2001, at 14:25, Faustine wrote: Which reminds me, I don't know why people here seem to think that any sort of deception operation would come from people who show up using nyms to express unpopular opinions. (e.g. you said something I don't want to hear; threfore its

Re: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-08-29 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 01:30:42PM -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: I would say something, but I've been reminded that you're supposed to let convicts dig their own graves. Come, Aimee, I've said before that you are educable. You can do more than post repetitive look-out-or-you'll-spend-time-in-prison

Re: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-08-28 Thread Eric Cordian
John Young writes: Motherfucking sonsofbitching shiteaters. Of course, this is just part of the continuing trend in defining crimes by the subjective fantasies of a party claiming to be aggrieved. *I'M* afraid, therefore *YOU'RE* stalking. *I'M* ashamed, therefore *YOU'RE* indecent. *I'M*

Re: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-08-28 Thread Eugene Leitl
On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Eric Cordian wrote: The larger question is what are we going to do about it? Somehow Cypherpunks Write Code doesn't quite rise to the level of an appropriate response to these pigfuckers. The most appropriate response would seem to implement

RE: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-08-28 Thread John Young
Aimee Farr could be a nice lady lawyer who just appeared here by serendip or a ... MS shiteater operating under the entrapment rules of IRS investigation manual. Speaking what my nose tells me about Aimee's taunts and ear licks here, and after smelling the shit spread in Tanner's courtroom,

RE: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-08-28 Thread Duncan Frissell
On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, John Young wrote: Tanner's courtroom, she's very dirty. Jeff and Rob and the undercover agents behaved exactly the same and relished displaying the effect of their sucker punches to the jury. But that's no excuse for JB not sucker punching back. The only reason for

Re: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-08-26 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Sat, 25 Aug 2001, John Young wrote: See 9-page judgment in TIF format: http://cryptome.org/jdb-hit.tif (262KB) In addition to 10 years Jim was also fined $10,000 due immediately and faces three years of probation. No computer use and a long list of other prohibitions including no

Re: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-08-25 Thread John Young
See 9-page judgment in TIF format: http://cryptome.org/jdb-hit.tif (262KB) In addition to 10 years Jim was also fined $10,000 due immediately and faces three years of probation. No computer use and a long list of other prohibitions including no direct or indirect contact with the victim

Re: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-08-25 Thread Eugene Leitl
On Sat, 25 Aug 2001, John Young wrote: Motherfucking sonsofbitching shiteaters. If this supposed to have been deterrence, it fully backfired. It introduced polarization, and makes acts as Mc Veigh's less loony. As a direct result of this decision people will get killed eventually.

RE: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-08-25 Thread John Young
I've been typing in the cpunks address in reply for months, and don't mind, after reading about a host of problems associated with automatic replies and cc's and hidden header information that doesn't show up kiddie-script mailers. And nothing I've written about avoiding private contact with Jim

Re: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-08-25 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 10:51:28AM -0700, Eric Murray wrote: Too bad no technical people were called upon to explain how group reply works and why many people send copies to both the original poster and to the list without intending any direct communication with the poster that they're

Re: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-08-25 Thread Declan McCullagh
John, Can you post that in another format? Individual JPGs or GIFs or PDF? My version of Photoshop can't open the TIFF file you posted. -Declan On Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 12:12:03PM -0700, John Young wrote: See 9-page judgment in TIF format: http://cryptome.org/jdb-hit.tif (262KB) In

Re: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-08-25 Thread measl
On Sat, 25 Aug 2001, Eugene Leitl wrote: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 18:41:23 +0200 (MET DST) From: Eugene Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CDR: Re: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison On Sat, 25 Aug

RE: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-08-25 Thread Aimee Farr
I don't always monitor folders, for me a CC is a courtesy. ~Aimee 1. Email sent individually to someone reaches them faster than when replying to the list. I've often had half-day lag times in the past with cypherpunks. 2. Email sent individually to someone will reach them when the list

Re: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-08-25 Thread Bill Stewart
Declan - I've found that Irfanview is an excellent tool for reading lots of different graphics formats, including TIFF. Available at the usual download sites. At 01:00 PM 08/25/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: John, Can you post that in another format? Individual JPGs or GIFs or PDF? My

Re: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-08-25 Thread John Young
We'll have up this weekend a 180-page report by the Defense Science Board on Protecting the Homeland -- Defensive Information Operations, a study conducted in the summer of 2000, published in March 2001, which describes in detail multi-billion dollar proposals for combating threats to the US by

Re: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-08-25 Thread Declan McCullagh
Other coverage: http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=01/08/25/1849248 On Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 02:13:33PM -0700, John Young wrote: Judgment converted to PDF: http://cryptome.org/jdb-hit.pdf (404KB)

Re: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-08-25 Thread Duncan Frissell
So does anyone know who's handling Jim's appeal or is he proceeding in forma pauperis, or is he declining to appeal? DCF At 11:41 AM 8/25/01 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: Two consecutive (not concurrent) sentences, sez the judge yesterday. Jim made a statement to the court. Judge agreed with

Re: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison

2001-08-25 Thread Declan McCullagh
Jim is appealing. He's off to the Supremes, as I wrote about in June, after the 9th Circuit dissed him: http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,44567,00.html Don't recall who's handling it; I'd have to see if I can dig up those papers (and I just had my office repainted, so it's a mess). Robert