Re: BESS's Secret LOOPHOLE (censorware vs. privacy & anonymity)

2001-08-22 Thread Duncan Frissell
At 10:24 PM 8/15/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: >Liar, check the archives. I never said anybody was dangerous. What I did >say was that I felt the C-A-C-L philosophy was dangerous. I stand by that. >I believe that were the C-A-C-L philosophy to take hold the results would >make the death counts from

Re: BESS's Secret LOOPHOLE (censorware vs. privacy & anonymity)

2001-08-16 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, August 16, 2001, at 04:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I guess that I wonder why there was anything more to say than : > > "I only know what I've read on the net and cannot testify to its > accuracy or completeness and any conclusions I've drawn from this > reading would be my opini

Re: BESS's Secret LOOPHOLE (censorware vs. privacy & anonymity)

2001-08-16 Thread Declan McCullagh
Jim Choate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : >As to you, the only thing I told them was you worked for Intel, made some >money, retired, live out in the boonies with a bunch of guns, and talked a >lot of crap. When even tell them that? I know that it's easier not to talk to the Feds when you've got

Re: BESS's Secret LOOPHOLE (censorware vs. privacy & anonymity)

2001-08-16 Thread Jim Choate
On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > Jim Choate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > >As to you, the only thing I told them was you worked for Intel, made some > >money, retired, live out in the boonies with a bunch of guns, and talked a > >lot of crap. > > When even tell them that? I've

Re: BESS's Secret LOOPHOLE (censorware vs. privacy & anonymity)

2001-08-15 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 07:01:32PM -0700, Tim May wrote: > From what I know of the situations, based on journalistic reports (from > reports _other_ than from Declan), Declan took the obvious and legal > steps to limit his testimony to statements of the form: > > "Yes, I am a reporter for "Wir

Re: BESS's Secret LOOPHOLE (censorware vs. privacy & anonymity)

2001-08-15 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, August 15, 2001, at 08:12 PM, Seth Finkelstein wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 07:01:32PM -0700, Tim May wrote: >> ... Declan took the obvious and legal >> steps to limit his testimony to statements of the form: >> >> "Yes, I am a reporter for "Wired News."" >> >> "Yes, I wrote the

Re: BESS's Secret LOOPHOLE (censorware vs. privacy & anonymity)

2001-08-15 Thread jamesd
-- On 15 Aug 2001, at 23:12, Seth Finkelstein wrote: > I can't convey how ludicrous it seems to me. Declan is the > Fed's best friend. That's not an insult, that's a fact. Thats baloney. Declan has been routinely harassed by the feds. > He's provided > important evidence that helped obtain

Re: BESS's Secret LOOPHOLE (censorware vs. privacy & anonymity)

2001-08-15 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Tim May wrote: > By contrast, Jim Choate was visited by the FBI for one of the show > trials and offered speculations that I (Tim) am a dangerous person with > lots of guns and money. The court records show these depositions from > Choate. No such malicious help came from

Re: BESS's Secret LOOPHOLE (censorware vs. privacy & anonymity)

2001-08-15 Thread Seth Finkelstein
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 07:01:32PM -0700, Tim May wrote: > ... Declan took the obvious and legal > steps to limit his testimony to statements of the form: > > "Yes, I am a reporter for "Wired News."" > > "Yes, I wrote the story you are referring to." "Yes, I affirm under oath that the article

Re: BESS's Secret LOOPHOLE (censorware vs. privacy & anonymity)

2001-08-15 Thread Mac Norton
Pot. Kettle. Chip. Shoulder. You boys are getting a little silly. MacN On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Tim May wrote: > On Wednesday, August 15, 2001, at 06:21 PM, Seth Finkelstein wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 08:17:02PM -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: > >> At one point Seth was capable of sane arg

Re: BESS's Secret LOOPHOLE (censorware vs. privacy & anonymity)

2001-08-15 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, August 15, 2001, at 06:21 PM, Seth Finkelstein wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 08:17:02PM -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: >> At one point Seth was capable of sane arguments and discussions >> without insults. This was, of course, many years ago, and now he's >> just nutty and should

Re: BESS's Secret LOOPHOLE (censorware vs. privacy & anonymity)

2001-08-15 Thread Seth Finkelstein
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 08:17:02PM -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: > At one point Seth was capable of sane arguments and discussions > without insults. This was, of course, many years ago, and now he's > just nutty and should not be taken particularly seriously. I'm sorry Declan, I just ca

Re: BESS's Secret LOOPHOLE (censorware vs. privacy & anonymity)

2001-08-15 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, August 15, 2001, at 04:34 PM, Seth Finkelstein wrote: > [cypherpunky cryptobabble libertopians should take note!] > > Hit and run insults to our list, oh my! I have decremented his reputation counter by the standard amount, and have added his name to the Silicon Valley "don't hi

Re: BESS's Secret LOOPHOLE (censorware vs. privacy & anonymity)

2001-08-15 Thread Declan McCullagh
At one point Seth was capable of sane arguments and discussions without insults. This was, of course, many years ago, and now he's just nutty and should not be taken particularly seriously. -Declan On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 04:55:09PM -0700, Tim May wrote: > On Wednesday, August 15, 2001, at 04:3