Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-06 Thread Bill Stewart
Somebody wrote > WTC doesn't make sense as a target Everybody I knew was _much_ more upset about the WTC than the Pentagon. As one friend put it "I don't care about the Pentagon." Now, partly that's because of the shock of the buildings collapsing, which seemed much more dramatic than the Pentagon

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-06 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 08:44 PM 7/6/04 +, Justin wrote: It may be that the only way out is through, >and that the only way to be free from Western Imperialism is to cause it >to strangle itself. You don't get it. The way to be free from Colonialists is to remind the folks *behind the Colonialism* that they are n

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-06 Thread Peter Gutmann
"Tyler Durden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >If they took out a few key COs downtown one morning the effect on the economy >would be significant. It depends on what your goal is. As someone else on this list pointed out, terrorism is just another form of PR. If OBL took out (say) that huge AT&T

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-06 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 09:32 PM 7/5/04 +0200, Anonymous wrote: >Major Variola (ret) writes: >> >> The yanks did not wear regular uniforms and did not march in >> rows in open fields like Gentlemen. Asymmetric warfare means not >> playing by >> *their* rules. > >But asymm warfare has to accomplish its goal. It's not

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-06 Thread Tyler Durden
L PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: UBL is George Washington Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:59:22 -0500 (CDT) On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Justin wrote: > On 2004-07-06T11:28:41-0700, Eric Cordian wrote: > > Sunder wrote: > > > Right, WTC as a target doesn't make any strat

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-06 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Justin wrote: > On 2004-07-06T11:28:41-0700, Eric Cordian wrote: > > Sunder wrote: > > > Right, WTC as a target doesn't make any strategic sense. > > > Doesn't hitting a world financial center impede the funding of imperialism? > > Empirically, I don't think so. Since Septemb

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-06 Thread Justin
On 2004-07-06T11:28:41-0700, Eric Cordian wrote: > Sunder wrote: > > Right, WTC as a target doesn't make any strategic sense. > Doesn't hitting a world financial center impede the funding of imperialism? Empirically, I don't think so. Since September 11th, funding to the military and security in

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-06 Thread Tyler Durden
ld no longer remain ignorant of US force activities. Or at least not without significant reprecussions. It's debateable wether they acheived this, however. The Spanish got the message, however. -TD From: Justin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: UBL is George Wash

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-05 Thread Peter Gutmann
Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >But asymm warfare has to accomplish its goal. It's not being very >successful. It's been extraordinarily successful. The US is driving itself (and a lot of the rest of the world) nuts with terrorists-under-the-beds paranoia. I recently saw a replay of som

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-05 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 09:32:16PM +0200, Anonymous wrote: > > Major Variola (ret) writes: > > > > The yanks did not wear regular uniforms and did not march in > > rows in open fields like Gentlemen. Asymmetric warfare means not > > playing by > > *their* rules. > > But asymm warfare has to acc

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-05 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 09:32:16PM +0200, Anonymous wrote: > But asymm warfare has to accomplish its goal. It's not being very > successful. The only people who are siding with al-qaeda are those whose Au contraire. People in the US (stupid gits) are genuinely afraid. They're voting law and or

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-05 Thread Anonymous
Major Variola (ret) writes: > > The yanks did not wear regular uniforms and did not march in > rows in open fields like Gentlemen. Asymmetric warfare means not > playing by > *their* rules. But asymm warfare has to accomplish its goal. It's not being very successful. The only people who are si

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-05 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:00 AM 7/4/04 -0400, Howie Goodell wrote: > >For starters, I think the use of terrorism is a moral a distinction >worth making. Murdering thousands of civilians is not the same thing >as attacking enemy troops. (To be consistent, the plane that hit the >Pentagon was not terrorism, but a mili

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-03 Thread Howie Goodell
OK -- some comments. First, IMHO one confusing and perhaps confused post; I'm not sure I get the point. Second, to be specific, bin Laden isn't George Washington, but in at least one respect he is LIKE others who struggled to keep their countries from being dominated by foreigners. George Washing

UBL is George Washington

2004-07-02 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 09:58 PM 7/1/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: >Submitted for comment :-) > "...justice is a duty towards those whom you love and those whom you do > not. And people's rights will not be harmed if the opponent speaks out > about them." > > Osama Bin Laden UBL's morals, which he unfortunatel