Re: nettime Rebirth of Guilds

2000-09-28 Thread Sampo A Syreeni
On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Jim Burnes wrote: Guy likes a girl. Wants to have sex with her. She doesn't like him and does not want to associate with him because he's a boor, unintelligent, ugly whatever. She shuns him (as does every other woman in the village). Shunning is rarely a problem if it's

Re: nettime Rebirth of Guilds

2000-09-27 Thread Sampo A Syreeni
On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Tim May wrote: Lynching is an act of physical aggression, not at all the same thing as choosing not to trade with someone, not to invite him into one's home, not to interact with him. In my mind, that is a rather fine line. If Alice doesn't want Bob in _her_ "venue"

Re: nettime Rebirth of Guilds

2000-09-27 Thread James A.. Donald
-- On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Tim May wrote: Lynching is an act of physical aggression, not at all the same thing as choosing not to trade with someone, not to invite him into one's home, not to interact with him. At 06:32 AM 9/27/2000 -0400, Sampo A Syreeni wrote: In my mind, that is a

Re: nettime Rebirth of Guilds

2000-09-27 Thread Jim Burnes
On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, James A.. Donald wrote: -- On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Tim May wrote: Lynching is an act of physical aggression, not at all the same thing as choosing not to trade with someone, not to invite him into one's home, not to interact with him. At 06:32 AM 9/27/2000 -0400,

Re: nettime Rebirth of Guilds

2000-09-26 Thread Sampo A Syreeni
On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Tim May wrote: I think "cooperative isolation of someone" is a natural thing. Shunning, isolation, expulsion...it's how groups deal with characters they don't like. Indeed. Lynch mobs are a rational extension of the basic principle. An empty comment. "Tolerance" subsumes

Re: nettime Rebirth of Guilds

2000-09-25 Thread Sampo A Syreeni
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, Tim May wrote: If a venue or site or company or piece of property is privately-owned, then all liberty-advocating persons would certainly say the owners have every right to tell lesbians and queers to stay out. "If you don't want to see lesbians kiss, come to PacBell

Re: nettime Rebirth of Guilds

2000-09-25 Thread Oskar Sandberg
On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 05:02:20AM -0400, Tim May wrote: As for your country, Finland, might I suggest you start letting in large numbers of refugees and other "darkies"? Countries like Finland and Sweden are fond of yapping about the discrimination in the U.S., but are predictably

Re: nettime Rebirth of Guilds

2000-09-25 Thread David Honig
At 04:36 AM 9/25/00 -0400, Sampo A Syreeni wrote: So how do you feel, for instance, about bullying in the form of cooperative isolation of someone by his/her peers? Certainly everybody has the /right/ not to speak to someone... Freedom of association includes freedom not to associate. Only

Re: nettime Rebirth of Guilds

2000-09-24 Thread David Honig
At 08:19 PM 9/23/00 -0400, Jim Choate wrote: On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, David Honig wrote: Having a child gives you no extra rights to control others' behavior. No? It gives the parent the right to tell other parties to leave the child alone. It also means the parent has the responsibility of

Re: nettime Rebirth of Guilds

2000-09-24 Thread Tim May
At 6:20 PM -0400 9/23/00, David Honig wrote: At 01:42 PM 9/23/00 -0400, Jim Choate wrote: The failure of capitalism is the failure to recognize that human beings have rights and that business is simply an expression of individual rights. Rights allow one to pursue an activity until that behaviour

Re: nettime Rebirth of Guilds

2000-09-24 Thread James B Windle
While agreeing about the rights of property owners, many of the newly build or renovated ballparks have either been financed with municipal bond offerings making the government a creditor of the team or are owned by municipalities and leased to the teams and thus not even nominally private

Re: nettime Rebirth of Guilds

2000-09-23 Thread David Honig
At 09:17 AM 9/23/00 -0400, Jim Choate wrote: video game market with respect to selling adult games to children. Video games are machines, I've never met an adult machine, though I did call that PDP "sir". Who gets to decide what content is appropriate for my children? Surely not the state.

Re: nettime Rebirth of Guilds

2000-09-23 Thread David Honig
At 12:09 PM 9/23/00 -0400, Jim Choate wrote: It is the target audience the game is designed for. If you seriously claim you don't understand the distinction between market targets for Dr. Seuss, Quake, and "Debbie does Dallas" then you're entire position is pretty much toast. To whom something

Re: nettime Rebirth of Guilds

2000-09-23 Thread David Honig
At 01:42 PM 9/23/00 -0400, Jim Choate wrote: The failure of capitalism is the failure to recognize that human beings have rights and that business is simply an expression of individual rights. Rights allow one to pursue an activity until that behaviour infringes anothers right to engage in their