Re: sleep deprivation was Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-27 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Steve Mynott wrote: > The British Army in Northern Ireland in the 1970s used to make alleged > IRA people stand with hoods on leaning against a wall listening to > white noise for long periods of time. When you collapse you are beaten. Just sit down and get it over with, y

Re: sleep deprivation was Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-25 Thread Steve Schear
At 08:42 PM 11/25/2002 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:00:57PM +, Steve Mynott wrote: > On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 22:18 Europe/London, Harmon Seaver wrote: > Even if it were possible (which I doubt) what's the point in even > mentioning it since most people tortured ar

Re: sleep deprivation was Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-25 Thread Peter Gutmann
Steve Schear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >I read some books in my youth on SH and found I could put myself in a self- >induced altered reality state from which I could not be easily awakened. I've had that too, listening to pre-election party political broadcasts. >physical abuse might be thwart

Re: sleep deprivation was Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-25 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 10:00:59PM +, Steve Mynott wrote: > It's not some New Age weekend camp when you imprisoned and beaten by > your captors. And, BTW, yoga is hardly New Age. It's quite ancient, precedes written history in fact. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybersha

Re: sleep deprivation was Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-25 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:00:57PM +, Steve Mynott wrote: > On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 22:18 Europe/London, Harmon Seaver wrote: > > > I've also worked with self hypnosis quite a bit, and it's useful, > >but I'll > >say again, anyone fairly adept at yogic meditation would not have much >

Re: sleep deprivation was Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-25 Thread Steve Mynott
On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 21:14 Europe/London, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 12:58:55PM -0800, Steve Schear wrote: I should think that a bit of practical training in self hypnosis could thwart sensory deprivation. I read some books in my youth on SH and found I could put mys

Re: sleep deprivation was Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-25 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 12:58:55PM -0800, Steve Schear wrote: > At 07:00 PM 11/25/2002 +, you wrote: > >On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote: > > > >>The Russians reputedly used sensory deprivation as a means of > >>convincing western spies to talk. 24 to 48 hours in a tank broke > >>nearl

Re: sleep deprivation was Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-25 Thread Steve Schear
At 07:00 PM 11/25/2002 +, you wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote: The Russians reputedly used sensory deprivation as a means of convincing western spies to talk. 24 to 48 hours in a tank broke nearly anyone. The effects are supposed to be a lot worse than you would imagine wh

Re: sleep deprivation was Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-25 Thread cubic-dog
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Steve Mynott wrote: > On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote: > > > The Russians reputedly used sensory deprivation as a means of > > convincing western spies to talk. 24 to 48 hours in a tank broke > > nearly anyone. > > Noone has mentioned sleep deprivation which is sup

sleep deprivation was Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-25 Thread Steve Mynott
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote: The Russians reputedly used sensory deprivation as a means of convincing western spies to talk. 24 to 48 hours in a tank broke nearly anyone. Noone has mentioned sleep deprivation which is supposed to be extremely effective, although with the potentia