Re: [Users] Announce: FreeS/WAN Project Ending (fwd from eugen@leitl.org)

2004-03-02 Thread Riad S. Wahby
Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can we demime the mails on this node? It's already being done. It seems, however, that the formatting of some messages is getting screwed up. I haven't found the problem yet, but your other recent mail is an example of this. Do you have a copy of the ori

Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II (opsec review)

2004-03-02 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 09:19 PM 3/1/04 +, Justin wrote: >Major Variola (ret) (2004-03-01 18:01Z) wrote: > >> In order to avoid places with ears (and "homeless" people with >> directional mics, see _Enemy of the State_) go to a park that you >> haven't been to before. And perform the usual CI driving maneuvres >>

Re: [Users] Announce: FreeS/WAN Project Ending (fwd from eugen@leitl.org)

2004-03-02 Thread Eugen Leitl
Can we demime the mails on this node? - Forwarded message from Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - From: Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 16:40:21 +0100 To: Thomas Shaddack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Users] Announce: FreeS/WAN Project Endin

Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II (opsec review)

2004-03-02 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:10 AM 3/2/04 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: > That's when you strap on the C-4 vest. Or implement other dead-man switch type plans. Gonna fly the week the feds announce they've caught Osama? :-)

Re: [Users] Announce: FreeS/WAN Project Ending

2004-03-02 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 03:49:47AM +0100, Thomas Shaddack wrote: > I maintain a small conglomerate of private and corporate networks. We use > FreeS/WAN quite extensively, with great success - in last 2 years we had > no drop-out caused by the crypto infrastructure fault. No attempt for > opportun

Re: [Users] Announce: FreeS/WAN Project Ending

2004-03-02 Thread Justin
Thomas Shaddack (2004-03-02 06:09Z) wrote: > > And sure, you use FreeS/WAN, and a company I used to work for used it > > too. There are employees of many other companies who post to the > > FreeS/WAN lists. But that's hardly representative of the majority of > > companies. > > "Majority" as in

Re: [Users] Announce: FreeS/WAN Project Ending

2004-03-02 Thread Thomas Shaddack
:) > And sure, you use FreeS/WAN, and a company I used to work for used it > too. There are employees of many other companies who post to the > FreeS/WAN lists. But that's hardly representative of the majority of > companies. "Majority" as in number of employees, or as in count? Do mom-and-p

Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II

2004-03-02 Thread Steve Schear
At 06:50 AM 3/2/2004, Tyler Durden wrote: "How about a pseudo random "conversation" generator appliance for the person trying to mask their speech. If it closely models the vocal tract, language and language characteristics of the speaker it might be extremely difficult to remove as backgroun

Re: [Users] Announce: FreeS/WAN Project Ending

2004-03-02 Thread Justin
> From: Claudia Schmeing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Users] Announce: FreeS/WAN Project Ending > > Dear FreeS/WAN community, > > After more than five years of active development, the FreeS/WAN > project will be coming to an end. Is anyone disappointed? Is anyone surprised? FreeS/WAN garrot

Re: [Users] Announce: FreeS/WAN Project Ending

2004-03-02 Thread Justin
Thomas Shaddack (2004-03-02 02:49Z) wrote: > It was a good project. Hope somebody picks up the torch and keeps it > burning, possibly even brighter. And for anyone unhappy with the linux 2.6 implementation, this forked just a few months ago: http://www.openswan.org/ -- That woman deserves her

Re: [Users] Announce: FreeS/WAN Project Ending

2004-03-02 Thread Justin
Thomas Shaddack (2004-03-02 02:49Z) wrote: > Is there anybody with enough organizational/leadership skills to take over > the project, preferably located further away of the US influence than > Canada is? Export policies are relevant only when enforceable. > > Corporations, the major users of VPN

Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II

2004-03-02 Thread Steve Schear
At 07:42 AM 3/1/2004, sunder wrote: Interesting. I guess my basic question is, is there a subset of counter-surveillance actions that can be taken that, while not ensuring secure communications, forces eavesdropping parties to take 'radical' measures in order to obtain the desired information? I

Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II (opsec review)

2004-03-02 Thread sunder
Major Variola (ret) wrote: Sunder's suggestion of introducing information and watching for their response is good, though the Adversary will not respond if they're smart and they're watching you for something more important. (What was that Brit town sacrificed so the Germans wouldn't know the code

Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II

2004-03-02 Thread Tyler Durden
"How about a pseudo random "conversation" generator appliance for the person trying to mask their speech. If it closely models the vocal tract, language and language characteristics of the speaker it might be extremely difficult to remove as background noise." There are plenty of CDs of conver

Re: [Users] Announce: FreeS/WAN Project Ending

2004-03-02 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Justin wrote: > > From: Claudia Schmeing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: [Users] Announce: FreeS/WAN Project Ending > > > > Dear FreeS/WAN community, > > > > After more than five years of active development, the FreeS/WAN > > project will be coming to an end. > > Is anyone dis

Idea: opportunistic TCP-level crypto

2004-03-02 Thread Thomas Shaddack
There is plenty of space available in the form of (normally unused) payload of TCP SYN, SYN/ACK, and ACK packets. Could they be used to announce the intention/capabilities for an encrypted connection, eventually serve for authenticating the connection? This way there would be virtually no overhea