Re: The Statism Meme (fwd)

2003-02-08 Thread Eugen Leitl
[From a friend who has moved to Italy] -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:51:40 -0600 (CST) From: Pete Mannix [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: The Statism Meme What about Italy? Articles 270 and 270 bis

Re: The Statism Meme

2003-02-06 Thread Bill Frantz
At 2:39 PM -0800 2/4/03, André Esteves wrote: in Northern Italy they live close to Switzerland... What more can be said... A car, a suitcase and a weekend in Geneva with a numbered account. I'd go to St. Moritz. It's closer, has better skiing, and the Swiss banks have discovered branch banking.

Re: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Tyler Durden
work for them to. That commercial was either written by a real nut or by someone who also doesn't like the way things are headed. -TD From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Statism Meme Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 20:16:05 -0800 OK, so I watch a lot of t.v

RE: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Blanc
what to expect. The statism meme is growing under hothouse conditions. ... Years ago I asked a group of Libertarians at a meeting what they would do if a particular politican, who was then running for President, won and turned everything into a bona-fide, outright statist

RE: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Blanc wrote: A sad, disturbing prospect to contemplate. Someone on another list remarked that it might become necessary for those in Europe to do some internet-type rescuing of the American people. H. If things get utterly intolerable, and fighting makes no sense

RE: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread cubic-dog
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Blanc wrote: A sad, disturbing prospect to contemplate. Someone on another list remarked that it might become necessary for those in Europe to do some internet-type rescuing of the American people. H. snip Don't count

Re: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread André Esteves
On Tuesday, 4 de February de 2003 21:47, you wrote: Don't count on EU, we're just as fucked, albeit with a slight delay. What about Italy? The Italians seem to be remarkably good at ignoring both the vatican as well as their government (which changes every few years and no wonder...do ANY

RE: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Blanc
Eugen Leitl replies: Don't count on EU, we're just as fucked, albeit with a slight delay. .. Thanks, Eugen. This makes me feel better. On emigration choices, I guess one could just take a pick of whether they wish to be more, or less, fd. .. Blanc

Re: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Duncan Frissell
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Tim May wrote: I'm struck by how many of them this year treat civil liberties as gone, either as old-fashioned or as just plain ignorable. I love the frequent use of facial recognition systems on TV as well. With, of course, no mention of the fact that they don't work. DCF

Re: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 09:25:22PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Blanc wrote: A sad, disturbing prospect to contemplate. Someone on another list remarked that it might become necessary for those in Europe to do some internet-type rescuing of the American people. H.

Re: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Harmon Seaver
Yeah right -- the eyeties just joined the new european order supporting an immediate invasion of Iraq. At least, according to Powell they did. On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 04:47:02PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Don't count on EU, we're just as fucked, albeit with a slight delay. What about

RE: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Tyler Durden
Don't count on EU, we're just as fucked, albeit with a slight delay. What about Italy? The Italians seem to be remarkably good at ignoring both the vatican as well as their government (which changes every few years and no wonder...do ANY Italians actually pay taxes?). And yet, Northern Italy

RE: The Statism Meme (Roarke, not)

2003-02-04 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 02:29 PM 2/4/03 -0800, Blanc wrote: Duncan Frissell said: You mean no one said, I'd grab the .30-06 and head for the hills? I must correct myself. It was not a Libertarian group, they were Objectivists. Not to put the Os down or start an argument about the difference, but I know that

Re: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Harmon Seaver
Yaaas, yaass, yyaaasss -- and what about us half-assed libertarians, us leftysized anarchistic earthfirsters, us gunslinging 2nd boys (and WTF is this .30-06 bullshit anyway, we ain't all that ancient?), and other fringe/extremeist ufo/wacko pppeeeples? I mean -- I mean -- WTF do you mean,

RE: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Pete Mannix
What about Italy? Articles 270 and 270 bis, written by the fascists, have been ressurected to charge legitimate protesters and anyone promoting change (subversive association or subverting the social-economic order that exists in the State) as terrorists if even the slightest association with

Re: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 06:55:26PM -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: Yaaas, yaass, yyaaasss -- and what about us half-assed libertarians, us leftysized anarchistic earthfirsters, us gunslinging 2nd boys (and WTF is this .30-06 bullshit anyway, we ain't all that ancient?), and other

RE: The Statism Meme

2003-02-04 Thread Blanc
Harmon Seaver said: Yaaas, yaass, yyaaasss -- and what about us half-assed libertarians, us leftysized anarchistic earthfirsters, us gunslinging 2nd boys (and WTF is this .30-06 bullshit anyway, we ain't all that ancient?), and other fringe/extremeist ufo/wacko pppeeeples? I mean -- I mean --