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ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >James A. Donald wrote: >> So far the Pentagon has >> shattered the enemy while suffering casualties of about a thousand, >> which is roughly the same number of casualties as the British empire >> suffered doing regime change on the Zulu empire - an empire of a >> q

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At 9:00 PM + 11/10/04, ken wrote: >Be fair. They had a trained and disciplined army. Most of whom >would obey orders to the death. That's worth a hell of a lot in >battle. Yeah, but the zulus had the wrong end of, well, the stick. Take a look at, again, Hanson's "Carnage and Culture" for a ni

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James A. Donald wrote: So far the Pentagon has shattered the enemy while suffering casualties of about a thousand, which is roughly the same number of casualties as the British empire suffered doing regime change on the Zulu empire - an empire of a quarter of a million semi naked savages mostly ar

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>From: Peter Gutmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Nov 6, 2004 2:10 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: This Memorable Day >The figure that's usually quoted is that 80% of German's military force was >directed against Russia. Of the rem

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The US made a bundle from WW1 and WW2 warfare, in both cases being rescued from an economic slump, and some have argued the US delayed sending troops as long as possible to extend the demand for supplies, supplies which appeared to always be insufficient but enough to keep the warring parties going

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Tiarn=E1n_=D3_Corr=E1in?=) writes: >The Russians (for example) conquered Hitler's capital, Berlin. And I believe >the Russian zone in Germany was larger than any of the others, reflecting the >fact that Stalin bore most of entire burden of defeating Germany, >unco

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-- Nomen Nescio wrote: > To label any argument that points out the obvious circumstance that > injustice feeds hatred as communist propaganda, is really only > ridiculous, even if it's also dangerously incompetent and as such no > real laughing matter. > > Why do you mention Bin Laden anyway? T

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"James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >But it is hardly a matter of "holding out". So far the Pentagon has >shattered the enemy while suffering casualties of about a thousand, We're talking about different things, the War on Bogeymen vs. the War for Oil. In its war on bogeymen, the most

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"James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > When it came to the part of the war that was purely a public good, > conquering the German and Japanese homelands, America did indeed bear > almost the whole burden, but when it came to defending Australia > against the Japanese, the Australians bore

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James A. Donald: > You are quite right, it is unjust that people like Bin Laden are so > immensely rich with oil wealth. To remedy this problem, Bush > should confiscate the Middle Eastern oil reserves. > > You are using stale old communist rhetoric

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 R.A. Hettinga: > Are you high, junior? Or is it just your politics that sound so... > sophomoric? > Communism, Fuck Yeah!!! States are People Too Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. (Euripides) You too. Sad it is. Howcome

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On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: > Well, this may actually be less hard than we thought. Indeed, it's the one > vaguely silver lining in this toxic cloud. Outsourcing to India will > actually add a lot to world stability. Of course, we'll loose a lot of jobs > in the process, but in the

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in the process. -TD From: John Kelsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Memorable Day Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:13:28 -0500 (GMT-05:00) >From: Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Nov 3, 2004 6:50 AM >To: [EMAIL P

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>From: Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Nov 3, 2004 6:50 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: This Memorable Day .. >The only way to move towards a more friendly world is to make >people feel they are able to share the wealth and prosperity of the >wor

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At 11:11 AM -0800 11/3/04, James A. Donald wrote: >It is often argued that since war, violence, etc, are public goods This is my favorite retort to that: "Externalities are the last refuge of the derigistes." -- Friedrich Hayek An otherwise excellent rant elided... Cheers, RAH -- --

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At 11:11 AM -0800 11/3/04, James A. Donald wrote: >"Dhimmitude" being >a dangerously inferior status where one's property is insecure, and >women are apt to be raped. ObSmartAssComment: That's why they call it "Dhimmicracy", much less the "Dhimmicratic" Party... :-). Cheers, RAH -- ---

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-- R.A. Hettinga wrote: Seriously, any future crypto-anarchy / anarcho-capitalist society is probably not going to succeed unless it can project *more* force than we can project currently with force monopoly -- not less. That *doesn't* mean centralized, but it certainly means *more*. It is ofte

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-- > This post gave me a big laugh. So naive. There are a few basic > forces feeding extremism and terrorism around the world and those > are inequalities and injustice anywhere. You are quite right, it is unjust that people like Bin Laden are so immensely rich with oil wealth. To remedy this

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Bob, But your defenses of the fatherland are hollow formulas. There has been no war to win, a war the US is forever stealing from the citizenry to prepare for, and then fucking up with the minor skirmishes by having no doctrine or training to apply its mythical might, except, as always, to explain

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-- Peter Gutmann wrote: > Fighting an unwinnable war always seems to produce the same type of > rhetoric, It is a little premature to call this war unwinnable. The kill ratio so far is comparable with Britain's zulu war. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclV

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-- Peter Gutmann wrote: Well it wasn't the point I was trying to make, which was comparing it to predictions made by (the propaganda division of) another super-power in the mid 1940s about winning an unwinnable war because God/righteousness/whatever was on their side, and all they had to do wa

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ttinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: John Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Memorable Day Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:05:19 -0500 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 7:33 AM -0800 11/3/04, John Young wrote: >The US has not won since WW2. Nope. Not at al

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ObPedantry: At 9:49 AM -0500 11/3/04, R.A. Hettinga wrote: >If you'd learned any history, you'd know that the first argument is x second >the result of the complete failure of the *premises* of the first to >happen at all -- ---

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 12:50 PM +0100 11/3/04, Nomen Nescio wrote: >Nonsense! Are you in junior high? Are you high, junior? Or is it just your politics that sound so... sophomoric? :-) >This post gave me a big laugh. So naive. There are a few basic >forces feeding ext

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>From: "R.A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Nov 2, 2004 10:55 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: This Memorable Day .. >Expect more carnage than culture when Bush is elected. I gather we waited to start the offensive in Fallujah(sp?) until the polls w

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 R.A. Hettinga: > You're gonna love this one: You can't have "terrorism" without > state sponsors. Nonsense! Are you in junior high? > We take out (by whatever means at hand...) state sponsors of > terrorism, and, hey, presto, no terrorism. Iraq

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At 5:21 PM +1300 11/3/04, Peter Gutmann wrote: >another super-power in the >mid 1940s about winning an unwinnable war because God/righteousness/whatever >was on their side Relativism does not a fact make, Peter. Germany 1944 does not equal USA 2004, no matter how hard you twist the kaleidoscope.

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 7:33 AM -0800 11/3/04, John Young wrote: >The US has not won since WW2. Nope. Not at all. 1. Korea we lost by shoving the commies all the way up to the Yalu river. And then leaving them to fester behind a still-extant DMZ until they're almost enou

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The US has not won since WW2. Rebellions, now called terrorist wars, have been far more successful. If you want to be a winner do not enlist in military forces of states, rather get a spin contract far from danger, arguing the virtues of mightily fearsome hardware and sacrificial patriotism. The U

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"R.A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Germany 1944 does not equal USA 2004, no matter how hard you twist the >kaleidoscope. Fighting an unwinnable war always seems to produce the same type of rhetoric, whether it's the war on some drugs, the war on anyone Bush doesn't like, or the war on a

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At 6:29 PM +1300 11/3/04, Peter Gutmann wrote: >Do you seriously think the war on bogey^H^H^Hterrorism can ever be won? You're gonna love this one: You can't have "terrorism" without state sponsors. We take out (by whatever means at hand...) state sponsors of terrorism, and, hey, presto, no terro

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"R.A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >At 3:32 AM +1300 11/3/04, Peter Gutmann wrote: >>Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>>On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 08:16:41AM -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: >>>No cypherpunks conten

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At 11:58 AM -0800 11/2/04, John Young wrote: >Grant, who >suicided himself with whiskey and self-pity, Actually, he "suicided" himself with cigars, having died of throat cancer... ;-) Seriously, any future crypto-anarchy / anarcho-capitalist society is probably not going to succeed unless it can

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And an admirable role model for the Simian's memory: An avenging rebel terrorist shot Abe, not Grant, who suicided himself with whiskey and self-pity, after lollygagging in the animal-beshat White House, lost that, took up liquor, became a helpless drunk, friends caretook his inept pickled carca

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At 10:31 AM -0500 11/2/04, R.A. Hettinga wrote: >The Persian deaths numbered in the hundreds >of thousands. The Greeks died in the low hundreds. More recently, and closer to Hanson's point in the article, both of Lincoln's elections were very close. But, after Lincoln's second inauguration, Grant

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<http://online.wsj.com/article_print/0,,SB109936293065461940,00.html> The Wall Street Journal November 2, 2004 COMMENTARY This Memorable Day By VICTOR DAVIS HANSON November 2, 2004; Page A22 In singular moments in our history, the security of the United States hinged on a

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On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 08:16:41AM -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: > No cypherpunks content. Just local politics. -- Eugen* Leitl http://leitl.org";>leitl __ ICBM: 48.

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Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 08:16:41AM -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: >> >No cypherpunks content. Just local politics. And it's not even original, they've mostly just translated it into English,

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At 3:32 AM +1300 11/3/04, Peter Gutmann wrote: >Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 08:16:41AM -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: >>> >>No cypherpunks content. Just local politics. > >And it's not even orig