Re: [darktable-user] Creating XMP file only when makes sense: rationale?

2016-11-21 Thread Stéphane Gourichon
Le 21/11/2016 à 18:49, Patrick Shanahan a écrit : * Stéphane Gourichon [11-21-16 12:21]: Also, option write_sidecar_files is not the wished behavior, as XMP files are definitely useful when they contain not only generated information, cf. 8.2. Core options | user manual | darktable

Re: [darktable-user] Creating XMP file only when makes sense: rationale?

2016-11-21 Thread Stéphane Gourichon
TL;DR: darktable gets better over time, so version-specific defaults have a chance to get better, too, right? Why force *current* defaults even for unedited unexported files? Le 21/11/2016 à 18:47, Roman Lebedev a écrit : If we do not write XMP when doing any export based on raw data (not co

Re: [darktable-user] Please add an option to ask before overwriting XMP files

2016-11-21 Thread Roman Lebedev
Random observation: if one observes a crash, fast-forwards himself some time forward, he will see the crash again. Conclusion: crashes exist out of our 3-dimensional space. Actual conclusion: no backtrace == no fixes for crashes. :) Roman. On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 10:54 PM, Niccolò Belli wrote:

Re: [darktable-user] Please add an option to ask before overwriting XMP files

2016-11-21 Thread Pascal Obry
Le lundi 21 novembre 2016 à 20:54 +0100, Niccolò Belli a écrit : > I was obviously using the stable version before the crash, then I > switched to git to see if would still happen. So it would be nice to understand what in your workflow makes darktable crashes so often. As others and I have said i

Re: [darktable-user] Please add an option to ask before overwriting XMP files

2016-11-21 Thread Niccolò Belli
On lunedì 21 novembre 2016 20:48:36 CET, darkta...@911networks.com wrote: No, reading the manual is great. Using the GIT version of the DT is much more crash prone than the stable version. I use arch and I haven't crashed once with DT 2.0.x "I just had the time to compile it from git to see

Re: [darktable-user] Please add an option to ask before overwriting XMP files

2016-11-21 Thread darktable
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 20:43:34 +0100 Niccolò Belli wrote: >On lunedì 21 novembre 2016 19:24:42 CET, darkta...@911networks.com >wrote : >So what? Does reading the user manual make your software more prone >to crashing or what? :) No, reading the manual is great. Using the GIT version of the DT is

Re: [darktable-user] Please add an option to ask before overwriting XMP files

2016-11-21 Thread Niccolò Belli
On lunedì 21 novembre 2016 19:24:42 CET, darkta...@911networks.com wrote: My understanding from his earlier email is that he: I just finished reading the user manual. I just had the time to compile it from git to see if it still crashes (it does) So what? Does reading the user manual make you

Re: [darktable-user] Please add an option to ask before overwriting XMP files

2016-11-21 Thread darktable
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 18:23:21 +0100 Pascal Obry wrote: >Hi Niccolò, > >> Darktable is probably the best raw editor/photo organizer >> available, unfortunately it's not the most crash free software in >> the world. > >It works quite well for me and I have no crashes since months! So >either you'r

Re: [darktable-user] Creating XMP file only when makes sense: rationale?

2016-11-21 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Stéphane Gourichon [11-21-16 12:21]: > Le 20/11/2016 à 19:24, Tobias Ellinghaus a écrit : > > > > That is not feasible as we rewrite the XMP files all the time. Not just when > > you edit the image in darkroom. > > IMHO this behavior pops up too regularly in discussions. > > > # Context: use

Re: [darktable-user] Please add an option to ask before overwriting XMP files

2016-11-21 Thread Pascal Obry
Le lundi 21 novembre 2016 à 18:46 +0100, Niccolò Belli a écrit : > Archlinux 64bit. I also disabled OpenCL acceleration since Beignet > 1.2.1 was actually slower on my Broadwell laptop. All good! It would be nice to get a backtrace then! --   Pascal Obry /  Magny Les Hameaux (78)   The best way

Re: [darktable-user] Creating XMP file only when makes sense: rationale?

2016-11-21 Thread Roman Lebedev
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Stéphane Gourichon wrote: > Le 20/11/2016 à 19:24, Tobias Ellinghaus a écrit : > > > That is not feasible as we rewrite the XMP files all the time. Not just when > you edit the image in darkroom. > > > IMHO this behavior pops up too regularly in discussions. > > >

Re: [darktable-user] Please add an option to ask before overwriting XMP files

2016-11-21 Thread Niccolò Belli
On lunedì 21 novembre 2016 18:23:21 CET, Pascal Obry wrote: either you're using a module that I don't, or maybe you're using the 32bit version? BTW, is that on Linux or Mac? Archlinux 64bit. I also disabled OpenCL acceleration since Beignet 1.2.1 was actually slower on my Broadwell laptop.

Re: [darktable-user] Please add an option to ask before overwriting XMP files

2016-11-21 Thread Pascal Obry
Hi Niccolò, > Darktable is probably the best raw editor/photo organizer available,  > unfortunately it's not the most crash free software in the world. It works quite well for me and I have no crashes since months! So either you're using a module that I don't, or maybe you're using the 32bit ver

[darktable-user] Creating XMP file only when makes sense: rationale?

2016-11-21 Thread Stéphane Gourichon
Le 20/11/2016 à 19:24, Tobias Ellinghaus a écrit : That is not feasible as we rewrite the XMP files all the time. Not just when you edit the image in darkroom. IMHO this behavior pops up too regularly in discussions. # Context: user feedback + usual reply This is from memory, I might be wro

Re: [darktable-user] Please add an option to ask before overwriting XMP files

2016-11-21 Thread Niccolò Belli
On lunedì 21 novembre 2016 17:25:14 CET, Patrick Shanahan wrote: except for a developer making a targeted choice, does one ever *intend* to crash an app? And that check would stop one with a sizable db for using dt for a looong time :) After a crash occurred would you prefer a possibly incon

Re: [darktable-user] Please add an option to ask before overwriting XMP files

2016-11-21 Thread Roman Lebedev
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 7:29 PM, Niccolò Belli wrote: > On lunedì 21 novembre 2016 17:25:14 CET, Patrick Shanahan wrote: >> >> except for a developer making a targeted choice, does one ever *intend* to >> crash an app? > > >> And that check would stop one with a sizable db for using dt for a looon

Re: [darktable-user] Please add an option to ask before overwriting XMP files

2016-11-21 Thread Niccolò Belli
On lunedì 21 novembre 2016 17:17:25 CET, Roman Lebedev wrote: We already have crawler, which, if enabled, checks that XMP files are newer than the DB, and asks what to to, update db or ???. Probably missed it: how do I enable it? But, you are missing one very important point: we save history

Re: [darktable-user] Please add an option to ask before overwriting XMP files

2016-11-21 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Niccolò Belli [11-21-16 11:20]: > On lunedì 21 novembre 2016 17:10:17 CET, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > And what kind of startup time would that entail if one has a somewhat > > large db? ie: I have >81.500 > > Do you plan to crash your app instead of closing it? except for a developer makin

Re: [darktable-user] Please add an option to ask before overwriting XMP files

2016-11-21 Thread Niccolò Belli
On lunedì 21 novembre 2016 17:10:17 CET, Patrick Shanahan wrote: And what kind of startup time would that entail if one has a somewhat large db? ie: I have >81.500 Do you plan to crash your app instead of closing it? Because otherwise there is no reason to recheck the whole db. Darktable

Re: [darktable-user] Please add an option to ask before overwriting XMP files

2016-11-21 Thread Roman Lebedev
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Niccolò Belli wrote: > On domenica 20 novembre 2016 19:24:06 CET, Tobias Ellinghaus wrote: >> >> I assume you filed a bug in our bug tracker, together with the backtrace? > > > I just switched to Darktable since a couple of days (ex Adobe Lightroom > user) and I ju

Re: [darktable-user] Please add an option to ask before overwriting XMP files

2016-11-21 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Niccolò Belli [11-21-16 10:19]: > On domenica 20 novembre 2016 19:24:06 CET, Tobias Ellinghaus wrote: > > I assume you filed a bug in our bug tracker, together with the backtrace? > > I just switched to Darktable since a couple of days (ex Adobe Lightroom > user) and I just finished reading the

Re: [darktable-user] Please add an option to ask before overwriting XMP files

2016-11-21 Thread Niccolò Belli
On lunedì 21 novembre 2016 16:54:48 CET, johannes hanika wrote: please do collect a useful stack trace and then fixing the crash will be faster than doing any of this. Yeah, it will. But it will still not be the magic bullet for any kind of crashes which may bite in the future. In fact it cou

Re: [darktable-user] Please add an option to ask before overwriting XMP files

2016-11-21 Thread johannes hanika
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Niccolò Belli wrote: > On domenica 20 novembre 2016 19:24:06 CET, Tobias Ellinghaus wrote: >> >> I assume you filed a bug in our bug tracker, together with the backtrace? > > > I just switched to Darktable since a couple of days (ex Adobe Lightroom > user) and I ju

Re: [darktable-user] Please add an option to ask before overwriting XMP files

2016-11-21 Thread Niccolò Belli
On domenica 20 novembre 2016 19:24:06 CET, Tobias Ellinghaus wrote: I assume you filed a bug in our bug tracker, together with the backtrace? I just switched to Darktable since a couple of days (ex Adobe Lightroom user) and I just finished reading the user manual. I just had the time to compi