Re: [db-wg] NWI-11 Internationalised Domain Names

2020-07-13 Thread George Michaelson via db-wg
I would be broadly supportive of a cross-RIR database/registry conversation. I think its long overdue. It's not an easy conversation, but I think it's a necessary one. it is also off-topic. So I won't say more, but having opened the door, I strongly urge you to continue opening this door. I beli

Re: [db-wg] NWI-11 Internationalised Domain Names

2020-07-13 Thread Gert Doering via db-wg
Hi, On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 04:49:16PM +, ripedenis--- via db-wg wrote: > This is why I believe we should go for a simple Punycode option now and then > start to consider the bigger picture and finally address difficult questions > that have been brushed under the carpet for many years. I t

Re: [db-wg] NWI-11 Internationalised Domain Names

2020-07-13 Thread ripedenis--- via db-wg
Hi Nick, George "fundamentally yeah - it's a bit colonial to continue ignoring the reality that us-ascii is inappropriate for large chunks of the world." I totally agree with the drive to disengage with the colonial past and move on in all areas of life. However, the RIR Databases reflect a publ

Re: [db-wg] Puny code or UTF-8 (or both)?

2020-07-13 Thread Chriztoffer Hansen via db-wg
On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 14:12, ripedenis--- via db-wg wrote: > Do we, therefore, have support to introduce Puny code now and then consider > how to move forward with UTF-8? +1 for a brief technical summarization (or impact analysis) of the effort required to implement the technical change. -- C

Re: [db-wg] Puny code or UTF-8 (or both)?

2020-07-13 Thread Edward Shryane via db-wg
Hello Peter, WG, > On 13 Jul 2020, at 15:03, Peter Koch via db-wg wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:12:42PM +, ripedenis--- via db-wg wrote: > >> Do we therefore have support to introduce Puny code now and then consider >> how to move forward with UTF-8? > > I'm not sure I understand

Re: [db-wg] Puny code or UTF-8 (or both)?

2020-07-13 Thread Tony Finch via db-wg
Peter Koch via db-wg wrote: > > I'm not sure I understand the proposal. Me too :-) > "punycode" is primarily IDNA2003 speak AFAIK IDNA2008 uses punycode in exactly the same way as IDNA2003. One of the major changes was to get rid of stringprep. > How would that system deal with conversion fail

Re: [db-wg] NWI-11 Internationalised Domain Names

2020-07-13 Thread Nick Hilliard via db-wg
George Michaelson via db-wg wrote on 10/07/2020 01:15: Raw UTF-8 would work better here. It would permit the model to be extended naturally into multiple script models. I understand its inherently more complex than uplift to punycode of the domain elements in things, but the underlying problem in

Re: [db-wg] Puny code or UTF-8 (or both)?

2020-07-13 Thread Peter Koch via db-wg
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:12:42PM +, ripedenis--- via db-wg wrote: > Do we therefore have support to introduce Puny code now and then consider how > to move forward with UTF-8? I'm not sure I understand the proposal. "punycode" is primarily IDNA2003 speak - and the initial suggestion by Ed

Re: [db-wg] Puny code or UTF-8 (or both)?

2020-07-13 Thread Nick Hilliard via db-wg
ripedenis--- via db-wg wrote on 13/07/2020 13:12: There has been support shown to introduce Puny code as a first step towards internationalisation of the data, which can be done quickly by the RIPE NCC. Do we therefore have support to introduce Puny code now and then consider how to move forw

Re: [db-wg] Puny code or UTF-8 (or both)?

2020-07-13 Thread Gert Doering via db-wg
hi, On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:12:42PM +, ripedenis--- via db-wg wrote: > Do we therefore have support to introduce Puny code now and then consider how > to move forward with UTF-8? Works for me. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG

Re: [db-wg] Puny code or UTF-8 (or both)?

2020-07-13 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Denis, > Do we therefore have support to introduce Puny code now and then consider how to move forward with UTF-8? I think this is probably the best solution. - Cynthia On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 2:13 PM ripedenis--- via db-wg wrote: > Colleagues > > After the recent discussion it seems their

[db-wg] Puny code or UTF-8 (or both)?

2020-07-13 Thread ripedenis--- via db-wg
Colleagues After the recent discussion it seems their is support for the idea of UTF-8, whilst there is also support for Puny code as an interim step. To implement UTF-8 in the RIPE Database requires much more detailed discussions, including non technical aspects of the change. This is not likely