Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf10 to take place in New York City, USA

2009-02-25 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Martin F Krafft] Hello, world.deb The DebConf committee decided that DebConf10, the Debian developer conference of 2010, will take place in New York City, USA. I find this to be sad news. I will not visit USA as long as they threat visitors the way they do, with forced fingerprint

Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf10 to take place in New York City, USA

2009-02-25 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Martin F Krafft] Hello, world.deb The DebConf committee decided that DebConf10, the Debian developer conference of 2010, will take place in New York City, USA. I find this to be sad news. I will not visit USA as long as they threat visitors the way they do,

Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf10 to take place in New York City, USA

2009-02-25 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 01:10:11PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: I find this to be sad news. ... and I found this to be happy news [1]. Point of this silly reply being: please do not start a flame-fest pro-DebConf10-in-USA and cons-DebConf10-in-USA. There is a DebConf organization team

Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf10 to take place in New York City, USA

2009-02-25 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 02:08:17PM +0100, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: I will not visit USA as long as they threat visitors the way they do, with [...] kidnapping visitors and shipping them off to be tortured in

Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf10 to take place in New York City, USA

2009-02-25 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Giacomo A. Catenazzi] Huge differences in comparisons to Europe? Your question seem completely irrelevant to me. It is like stating 'huge differences in comparisons to Asia?', which do not make sense. Not sure why you want to group all countries in Europe together, and compare them as a group

Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf10 to take place in New York City, USA

2009-02-25 Thread W. Martin Borgert
Quoting Petter Reinholdtsen p...@hungry.com: I find this to be sad news. I will not visit USA as long as they threat visitors the way they do, ... There is no fundamental difference, only a gradual, to Europe. Think about Schengen, the African refugees, and the German, Italian, etc. rules.

Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf10 to take place in New York City, USA

2009-02-25 Thread Hector Oron
W. Martin Borgert wrote: Quoting Petter Reinholdtsen p...@hungry.com: This of course mean I will not visit debconf 10. :( I shall visit debconf 10 if it is possible to me. On the positive side, I hope to get to Spain for Debconf9 this summer, and look forward to seeing you all there. :)

Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf10 to take place in New York City, USA

2009-02-25 Thread Amaya
Héctor, it really looks like you don't follow the news. Well, I do. A year ago or so, brazilians were severely abused in Barajas airport. Females without a student visa accused of being prostitutes, and so. Recently Spanish kids from parents of mixed nationalities marriages (one spanish parent

Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf10 to take place in New York City, USA

2009-02-25 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Jose Antonio Recio wrote: I hope not steal our computers and our lives Don't bring a laptop. Instead, buy a new one in the USA (it is often the best place to buy new hardware, anyway). That's what I plan to do if I do decide to attend. -- One disk to rule them all, One

Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf10 to take place in New York City, USA

2009-02-25 Thread Philipp Kern
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 02:10:47PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Jose Antonio Recio wrote: I hope not steal our computers and our lives Don't bring a laptop. Instead, buy a new one in the USA (it is often the best place to buy new hardware, anyway). That's

Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf10 to take place in New York City, USA

2009-02-25 Thread Jimmy Kaplowitz
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 06:35:25PM +0100, Philipp Kern wrote: [*] I am still wondering, though, if one would need to pay VAT for such things in the US, if that could be exempted and what the process for that is. In the US, you'd generally pay sales tax, and that's much lower than European VAT.

Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf10 to take place in New York City, USA

2009-02-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 01:14:14PM -0500, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: In the US, you'd generally pay sales tax, and that's much lower than European VAT. It also applies only to the final sale to the consumer and not at every stage in the production process, which helps make prices lower overall. In

Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf10 to take place in New York City, USA

2009-02-25 Thread Philipp Kern
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:32:13AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 01:14:14PM -0500, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: In the US, you'd generally pay sales tax, and that's much lower than European VAT. It also applies only to the final sale to the consumer and not at every stage

Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf10 to take place in New York City, USA

2009-02-25 Thread Jimmy Kaplowitz
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:32:13AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: Heh, must be a New York thing. Nope, I've seen it in Rhode Island and Massachusetts as well, and it's the norm at most convenience stores and bodegas/delis everywhere I've been in the US where you're just going in to buy a bar of

Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf10 to take place in New York City, USA

2009-02-25 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 01:14:14PM -0500, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: though certain convenience/food stores include the tax in the price for efficiency's sake. Heh, must be a New York thing. Happens in CA too... though our laws are also weird in that

Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf10 to take place in New York City, USA

2009-02-25 Thread Jimmy Kaplowitz
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:49:13AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: You can also avoid sales tax by having items shipped, though you're supposed to pay the sales tax in the locality you have them shipped to. [And it's probably not terribly useful to have them shipped out of the US.] If the store

Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf10 to take place in New York City, USA

2009-02-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:49:13AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: You can also avoid sales tax by having items shipped, though you're supposed to pay the sales tax in the locality you have them shipped to. [And it's probably not terribly useful to have them shipped out of the US.] Well, no,

Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf10 to take place in New York City, USA

2009-02-25 Thread Jimmy Kaplowitz
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:28:17AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: Well, no, that's use tax, and I think foreigners who receive the laptop and carry it out of the country immediately might be exempt. :) Yes, that's based on your residence really, assuming it's in the US. They wouldn't have to

Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf10 to take place in New York City, USA

2009-02-25 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
I have been reading some of the entries here on the choice of the United States for DebConf 10 and I have three comments so far: o Those who have heard me speak and seen my writing know I am no fan of the Draconian policies of the last president. I have great hopes that our new president will

Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf10 to take place in New York City, USA

2009-02-25 Thread W. Martin Borgert
On 2009-02-25 16:23, Amaya wrote: Ashamed regards No need to be ashamed - I just wanted to say, that most countries in the world have their up- and downsides and there is no need to be disappointed about a DebConf in the USA, or Spain, or any other country the debconf team would consider.