Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session

2019-07-28 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 05:59:20PM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > please dont post html mails to this list. thank you. -- tschau, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org

Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session

2019-07-28 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 28.7.2019 17:35, micah anderson wrote: Carsten Schoenert writes: Am 27.07.19 um 14:27 schrieb micah anderson: Ansgar writes: No, it is not widely described as antisemitic, it is an

Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session

2019-07-28 Thread micah anderson
Carsten Schoenert writes: > Am 27.07.19 um 14:27 schrieb micah anderson: >> Ansgar writes: > ... >>> The BDS movement is widely described as antisemitic. Why should we >>> care about it? >> >> No, it is not widely described as antisemitic, it is anti-zionist. There >> is a difference. > > Is i

Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session

2019-07-28 Thread Martin
On 2019-07-27 10:21, Ansgar wrote: > The BDS movement is widely described as antisemitic. Why should we > care about it? Whether BDS is antisemitic or not, I don't know and I don't care in this (= DebConf) context. I strongly believe, that we should *not* discuss the question. DebConf happens ev

Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session

2019-07-27 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 11:29:26PM +0100, Wookey wrote: > those Europeans with morals (i.e. acceptable carbon footprints) Sorry, what? -- WBR, wRAR signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session

2019-07-27 Thread Wookey
On 2019-07-27 15:01 -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Wookey dijo [Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 08:37:57PM +0100]: > Boycotting a DebConf in Israel should have been > done by the interested people when it was still at the bidding level - > It would have not been nice, but it would have been ... Fair. Agreed. Bu

Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session

2019-07-27 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Wookey dijo [Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 08:37:57PM +0100]: > Perhaps so, but a big part of the difficulty round this issue is > people calling things which aren't (like thinking the settler movement > is deeply unjust) 'anti-semitic'. It makes it almost impossible to have > a sensible conversation around

Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session

2019-07-27 Thread Wookey
On 2019-07-27 17:01 +0200, Ansgar wrote: > On Sat, 2019-07-27 at 08:27 -0400, micah anderson wrote: > > Ansgar writes: > > The BDS movement is widely described as antisemitic. Why should we > > > care about it? > > > > No, it is not widely described as antisemitic, it is anti-zionist. There > >

Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session

2019-07-27 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Steve Langasek dijo [Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 09:07:02AM -0700]: > > The BDS movement is widely described as antisemitic. Why should we > > care about it? > > Because the defenders of Israel's racist and genocidal policies describe > everyone that opposes them as antisemitic as a means of shutting do

Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session

2019-07-27 Thread Ansgar
On Sat, 2019-07-27 at 09:07 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 10:21:18AM +0200, Ansgar wrote: > > + > > > We need to have an open discussion about the political message that > > > this project decision sends, a

Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session

2019-07-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 10:21:18AM +0200, Ansgar wrote: > + > | We need to have an open discussion about the political message that > | this project decision sends, and how it affects the people within > | our community who support

Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session

2019-07-27 Thread Ansgar
On Sat, 2019-07-27 at 08:27 -0400, micah anderson wrote: > Ansgar writes: > The BDS movement is widely described as antisemitic. Why should we > > care about it? > > No, it is not widely described as antisemitic, it is anti-zionist. There > is a difference. BDS is widely described as antisemiti

Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session

2019-07-27 Thread Geert Stappers
On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 07:18:30PM -0300, Jonathan Carter wrote: > > === Schedule change === > > Tomorrow morning in "Sala de Videoconferencia", there will be an open > discussion regarding political concerns around holding DebConf20 in > Israel. Everyone at DebConf is welcome to join this sessio

Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session

2019-07-27 Thread Carsten Schoenert
Am 27.07.19 um 14:27 schrieb micah anderson: > Ansgar writes: ... >> The BDS movement is widely described as antisemitic. Why should we >> care about it? > > No, it is not widely described as antisemitic, it is anti-zionist. There > is a difference. Is it?, I see no real difference? Anti-zionis

Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session

2019-07-27 Thread micah anderson
Ansgar writes: > On Fri, 2019-07-26 at 19:18 -0300, Jonathan Carter wrote: >> Tomorrow morning in "Sala de Videoconferencia", there will be an open >> discussion regarding political concerns around holding DebConf20 in >> Israel. Everyone at DebConf is welcome to join this session. >> >> Read th

Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session

2019-07-27 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 27.7.2019 11:21, Ansgar wrote: The BDS movement is widely described as antisemitic. Why should we care about it? To be very honest: if people suggest to kick out people for not agreeing with same-sex marriage, but apparently care about accomodate antisemitic

Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session

2019-07-27 Thread Ansgar
On Fri, 2019-07-26 at 19:18 -0300, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Tomorrow morning in "Sala de Videoconferencia", there will be an open > discussion regarding political concerns around holding DebConf20 in > Israel. Everyone at DebConf is welcome to join this session. > > Read the full description on th