On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 06:49:09PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
I do know that at
each DebConf where the standard accomodation was 4-per-room,
I don't know from where you have this standard:
DebConf3 (Oslo): Standard was a Gym with mattresses on the floor
DebConf5 (Helsinki): I do not know
Am 26.11.2012 01:34, schrieb Steve Langasek:
The DebConf team has run separate infrastructure for mailing lists
for a
number of years. This is pointlessly redundant.
Who are you to decide where others spend their time doing things?
The lists.debconf.org mailserver has now crashed, and been
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 08:55:45PM +0100, Philipp Hug wrote:
If someone disagrees with this course of action, they should say it now.
I do.
I feel the meeting was forced and the concensus was not a real concensus.
Some people were in the position: it is le camp or nothing and some people
Hi everybody,
I found a site with photos that together with the plans of le camp available at
their website,
allow to get a much better idea of what is being offered in terms of
accommodation at Le camp.
Le camp is the proposed venue for holding DebConf 13.
The venue contains several building,
On 2012-11-26 08:03, Andreas Tille wrote:
So we failed three times in the standards you are claiming. In other
words: In Europe we only had two times the standard you are
mentioning
(DebConf 9+11) and so I doubt that we do have something like a
standard
for European DebConfs at all.
If I
Hi Ana,
Thanks for this (more) informed mail. Unfortunately, it has some imprecisions
that (unwillingly, I'm sure), spread FUD.
Le lundi, 26 novembre 2012 12.22:13, Ana Guerrero a écrit :
The venue contains several building, let's see one of them.
You chose building 5. As you mention further
Hi Ana,
many thanks for your nice research.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:22:13PM +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote:
...
http://www.lecamp.ch/visite.php?lang=#
...
To my understanding, the accommodation on the remaining buildings is in a
similar state. With
some different arrangement for the beds
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 01:30:31PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
Hi Ana,
many thanks for your nice research.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:22:13PM +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote:
...
http://www.lecamp.ch/visite.php?lang=#
...
To my understanding, the accommodation on the remaining buildings
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 02:01:57PM +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote:
We also can't force people with cars to drivers other. Some people might
want just have the car parked the whole week.
I do not think that forcing is the proper word. I simply trust in the
ability of DebConf attendees to organise
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 01:14:54PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
Hi Ana,
Thanks for this (more) informed mail. Unfortunately, it has some imprecisions
that (unwillingly, I'm sure), spread FUD.
If you provide more information instead of handwaving concerns, I'm sure
you can contrarrest
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 02:14:39PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
If you see debconf as some holidays, certainly. For debconf you need talk
rooms, hacklabs, internet, etc that are impossible to evaluate seeing those
photos.
With the exception of internet which was not visible on the plan
Hi again Ana,
Le lundi, 26 novembre 2012 14.01:57, Ana Guerrero a écrit :
I expect those having cars possibily not wanting to spend all the day
driving others to the town to buy whatever. People might have needs very
important to them that drivers might feel irrelevant.
We also can't force
På Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:03:48 +0100, skrev Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu:
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 06:49:09PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
I do know that at
each DebConf where the standard accomodation was 4-per-room,
I don't know from where you have this standard:
DebConf3 (Oslo):
Richard Darst:
So, I think the rambly point of this email is to encourage people to
voice their actual feelings, ...
Since you're asking. I'm also a bit concerned and would have liked for things
to work out in other ways. However at this point in time I'm in favour of
going with le Camp
Hi,
It has been requested that those of us that have concerns about the
DebConf13 location should formally raise them with the DPL and the
DebConf chairs. I regret that it has come to this, but since I still
do have a lot of concerns, I'm following this path.
My main concerns were expressed in a
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 09:03:48AM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 06:49:09PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
I do know that at
each DebConf where the standard accomodation was 4-per-room,
I don't know from where you have this standard:
To clarify, I was speaking about
Hi Didier,
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org writes:
...
If to all the above if you add details like the nearest supermarket being
3.7km away or that the nearest hotel is mostly unaffordable (320CHF the
night for a double room)
That's a silly example as that's a castle, with a single
Hi Didier,
Didier Raboud o...@debian.org writes:
...
That said, I must say I'm really disappointed that the local team members
have
to face such untrust. It's really hard to acknowledge and accept that we did
these investigation one year ago [0], that we are making them better over
time,
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 07:44:22PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
Hi Jonathan,
tl;dr: not all LeCamp beds are like those shown by Ana.
[...]
I understand (and can share part of) your concerns. Yet, as mentionned (on -
team probably, sorry for that), Buildings 4 and 5 provide the most
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 06:09:13PM +0100, Margarita Manterola wrote:
It has been requested that those of us that have concerns about the
DebConf13 location should formally raise them with the DPL and the
DebConf chairs.
As I apparently miss some context, what does it has been requested
mean
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli lea...@debian.org wrote:
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 06:09:13PM +0100, Margarita Manterola wrote:
It has been requested that those of us that have concerns about the
DebConf13 location should formally raise them with the DPL and the
DebConf
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 02:43:26PM +0100, Didier Raboud wrote:
That said, I must say I'm really disappointed that the local team members
have to face such untrust. It's really hard to acknowledge and accept
that we did these investigation one year ago [0], that we are making them
better over
On 26/11/12 20:22, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 06:09:13PM +0100, Margarita Manterola wrote:
It has been requested that those of us that have concerns about the
DebConf13 location should formally raise them with the DPL and the
DebConf chairs.
As I apparently
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 09:18:52PM +, Daniel Pocock wrote:
Actually, there may be other options open to the DPL in this scenario
Thanks for taking the time of explaining to me how to do my job :-)
Although the team made a decision, a contract can not be signed if the
budget is not
Hi Philip,
that'll be my last mail on both -team and -discuss until the contract
signature as I'm getting really exhausted of all this. Nothing against you
though (more against me…).
Le lundi, 26 novembre 2012 20.38:28, Philip Hands a écrit :
Could that be because some of the the details that
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:45:18PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
Although the team made a decision, a contract can not be signed if the
budget is not endorsed by the DPL. So the DPL could defer ratification
of the budget on any of these grounds:
- to ask the debconf-team to convene
Hi everyone,
As Gaudenz and I are scheduled to negotiate and sign a one-week
contract with LeCamp this Wednesday, we're formally asking the DebConf
chairs for approval of this budget and for permission to sign the
contract.
I updated the budget.ods in SVN and also attached a PDF version to
this
[Side note...]
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 09:22:37PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
Beside observing the above, I can't (at least at a formal level) do much
more to help. Constitution §5.1.1 is fairly clear on the fact that once
something is delegated, the DPL could not overrule the delegates
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 02:37:30PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
Whether the money is being put to good use for Debian is precisely the
question that's being raised, AIUI.
[…]
We need decisive and timely leadership here, and that has DPL
written all over it. Sorry, Zack, but the buck stops
On 2012-11-26 22:47, Philipp Hug wrote:
budget and give permission to the DebConf13 association to organize
DebConf13 at LeCamp within the budget attached.
Before I look at the proposed budget, I want to comment on this point.
As discussed previously, we should be working under an agreement
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 11:47:15PM +0100, Philipp Hug wrote:
As Gaudenz and I are scheduled to negotiate and sign a one-week
contract with LeCamp this Wednesday, we're formally asking the DebConf
chairs for approval of this budget and for permission to sign the
contract.
1) Where is the
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:12:13AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 02:37:30PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
Whether the money is being put to good use for Debian is precisely the
question that's being raised, AIUI.
[…]
We need decisive and timely leadership here,
Hi Philipp,
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 11:47:15PM +0100, Philipp Hug wrote:
Hi everyone,
As Gaudenz and I are scheduled to negotiate and sign a one-week
contract with LeCamp this Wednesday, we're formally asking the DebConf
chairs for approval of this budget and for permission to sign the
On 26/11/12 21:45, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 09:18:52PM +, Daniel Pocock wrote:
Actually, there may be other options open to the DPL in this scenario
Thanks for taking the time of explaining to me how to do my job :-)
Suggesting options for discussion
Hi,
I've been helping with this, so I should be able to answer these
questions. I helped hug make the original email sent here, too, so I
can be blamed for anything in the budget or initial email, too.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 04:33:31PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
I'm having trouble
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:32:19AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 11:47:15PM +0100, Philipp Hug wrote:
As Gaudenz and I are scheduled to negotiate and sign a one-week
contract with LeCamp this Wednesday, we're formally asking the DebConf
chairs for approval of this
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