Re: [Debconf-team] reports from Le Camp BSP, part 6: trust + seeing is believing

2012-11-14 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 08/11/12 14:51, Andreas Tille wrote: On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 03:17:12PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 08:22:20AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Not an anser per se, but just a thank you for this mail. It summarizes many important points we all feel/know by now. +1 +1

Re: [Debconf-team] reports from Le Camp BSP, part 6: trust + seeing is believing

2012-11-14 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 09:34:39AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: For several of us, it is quite possible to make this choice We have to remember the people who don't have the option to pay and people who contribute so much to Debian that it is just not right to ask them to pay. I'm

Re: [Debconf-team] reports from Le Camp BSP, part 6: trust + seeing is believing

2012-11-14 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 14/11/12 15:56, Andreas Tille wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 09:34:39AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: For several of us, it is quite possible to make this choice We have to remember the people who don't have the option to pay and people who contribute so much to Debian that it is just not

Re: [Debconf-team] reports from Le Camp BSP, part 6: trust + seeing is believing

2012-11-14 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Gunnar, On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 11:22:28AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Do you possibly want to draft an email calling for such pledges, and it can be discussed at the next meeting? Should we ask people to pledge the marginal cost (about 300 CHF), the professional fee (about 600

Re: [Debconf-team] reports from Le Camp BSP, part 6: trust + seeing is believing

2012-11-14 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 14/11/12 19:51, Andreas Tille wrote: Hi Gunnar, On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 11:22:28AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Do you possibly want to draft an email calling for such pledges, and it can be discussed at the next meeting? Should we ask people to pledge the marginal cost (about 300 CHF),

Re: [Debconf-team] reports from Le Camp BSP, part 6: trust + seeing is believing

2012-11-08 Thread Brian Gupta
I'd like to add one thing. All the discussion and concern regarding budgets has had some positive effects, and am personally very grateful those people who raised concerns did so. As a result, I believe everyone is now aware that budget and fundraising will be VERY important this coming cycle, and

[Debconf-team] reports from Le Camp BSP, part 6: trust + seeing is believing

2012-11-07 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, so in the beginning of my switzerland visit I was thinking why I was there and that this why should be documented. So let's do this here for now, and then I plan to put this into the wiki under Category:DebConfManual. So what's the purpose of these venue/country pre-visits which we have

Re: [Debconf-team] reports from Le Camp BSP, part 6: trust + seeing is believing

2012-11-07 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Not an anser per se, but just a thank you for this mail. It summarizes many important points we all feel/know by now. I completely back what you wrote. And it makes me clearly understand why the pre-visits are so important! (i.e. they are not just ways to justify further travel for the chairs!

Re: [Debconf-team] reports from Le Camp BSP, part 6: trust + seeing is believing

2012-11-07 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 08:22:20AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Not an anser per se, but just a thank you for this mail. It summarizes many important points we all feel/know by now. +1 I've seen a lot of people get angry in the last couple of weeks, and it's not been helping (anyone|anything). I