On Aug 28, 2008, at 05:49, Steve Langasek wrote:
Sometimes it isn't about what is most efficient. Besides if you
have a
working machine why buy a new one (unless electricity starts to
cost too
much to justify the old one running).
It was precisely my point that I think that replacing an ol
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Tim Cutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
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> On 22 Aug 2008, at 10:34 pm, Gary Lee Phillips wrote:
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> Institutions and individuals in tight financial situations or in less
>> technically advanced areas continue to use Alphas because they are what is
>> available. Buyi
On 22 Aug 2008, at 10:34 pm, Gary Lee Phillips wrote:
Institutions and individuals in tight financial situations or in less
technically advanced areas continue to use Alphas because they are
what is
available. Buying newer 64-bit machines may simply be out of the
question
for them.
I don
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:36:22PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Are there other developers still actively using alpha who are willing to do
> the work to maintain it? Or perhaps a more important question: does anyone
> foresee themselves still using alpha three years from now (1.5 years of
> le
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 02:49:49AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> So your point in posting was to make insulting rhetorical comparisons and
> browbeat developers into carrying on supporting an architecture that has
> ceased to be useful to them (and almost everyone else in the world)?
No my point
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There's the list of failed packages, as well as
> <
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> (which is a lot more informative than I expected it to be, really). And
> then there's the need for someone to
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 10:05:36AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> I hadn't noticed too many apha build failures lately. I figured that
> was because the alpha is 64bit little endian just like amd64 and hence
> the problems should be mostly the same. Making gcc and java work is
> always an issu
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 02:16:41PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Thanks to all who've replied so far. It sounds like we're generally where I
> thought we would be at this point in time: there are a number of people
> still using alphas (in particular, folks who have newer and better models
> tha
Hi Bob,
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 08:35:56AM -0500, Bob Tracy wrote:
> > Are there other developers still actively using alpha who are willing to do
> > the work to maintain it? Or perhaps a more important question: does anyone
> > foresee themselves still using alpha three years from now (1.5 ye
Hi all:
First of all, I'm quite sad to see Debian stopping the support for the
Alpha architecture but I (as Gentoo/Alpha developer) can understand you
very well when talking about benefits vs problems generating to the
distribution in order to keep active the port and the people needed
to maintai
I can give partial answers to two of your questions, Steve, though neither
is going to be enough to create an argument to counter your own conclusions.
Institutions and individuals in tight financial situations or in less
technically advanced areas continue to use Alphas because they are what is
a
Thanks to all who've replied so far. It sounds like we're generally where I
thought we would be at this point in time: there are a number of people
still using alphas (in particular, folks who have newer and better models
than I), including some who expect to still be running theirs in
three-year
Hi Gary,
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 06:00:34AM -0500, Gary Lee Phillips wrote:
> As has already been pointed out, the diversity of the Alpha hardware and
> machine code instruction set is a significant security advantage especially
> for a firewall, mail host, or web server where attacks are more lik
Dear List
Quoting Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Thoughts?
My Alpha is an internet server holding eMail of about 110 users and
websever for around 50 domains among other services. I don't know why
this is a DEC Alpha, but it is since several years. The project is to
support cultural in
On Thursday 21 August 2008 21:36:22 Steve Langasek wrote:
> If not, I think it's time to look at retiring the alpha port gracefully as
> a release architecture. Alpha has had a long, proud run in Debian, but if
> alpha/lenny+1 isn't actually going to be useful to anyone, and no one is
> really ma
--- On Fri, 8/22/08, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> With lenny just around the corner, I think it's time to
> start thinking about
> the future of the Debian alpha port for lenny+1 and beyond.
Steve, and all others involved in keeping my favourite OS running on my
favo
Well, personally, I can say that my Alpha is almost never on anymore.
There was a time when using it to render stuff from Blender as part of
a renderfarm made sense. At this point, the other machines on the
network are enough faster that I just don't bother with the loud old
beast.
That said, som
On Fri 22 Aug 2008, Bob Tracy wrote:
>
> Bottom line: I would be grateful for the continued existence of a supported
> alpha
> Linux distribution, but I don't expect it unless a significant number of other
> alpha users make themselves known. Debian was really the only viable option
> when
> I
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:36:22PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> With lenny just around the corner, I think it's time to start thinking about
> the future of the Debian alpha port for lenny+1 and beyond.
This day was coming. When an architecture is no longer being manufactured, it's
difficult to
On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 11:28 +0200, Paul Slootman wrote:
> On Thu 21 Aug 2008, Steve Langasek wrote:
> >
> > Are there other developers still actively using alpha who are willing to do
> > the work to maintain it? Or perhaps a more important question: does anyone
> > foresee themselves still usin
Hi Steve and everybody here!
I am a proud Linux user and an Alpha AXP fan (for what it means these
days...)
I think that having Linux support on Alpha is still a positive goal,
like having m68k support and taking care about 386/486/586 vintage
machines.
I am not interested into m68k, or vin
Steve Langasek escribió:
Hi folks,
With lenny just around the corner, I think it's time to start thinking about
the future of the Debian alpha port for lenny+1 and beyond.
I've noticed some time before, early in the lenny cycle, that the alpha port
is no longer useful to me personally. It's st
I should perhaps keep quiet since I'm not capable of taking on this task
myself. However, I think this point needs to be considered even if future
Alpha support is still to be frozen and dropped:
The Microsoft-Intel steamroller has literally flattened the microcomputer
field into one of dangerous
On Thu 21 Aug 2008, Steve Langasek wrote:
>
> Are there other developers still actively using alpha who are willing to do
> the work to maintain it? Or perhaps a more important question: does anyone
> foresee themselves still using alpha three years from now (1.5 years of
> lenny as stable, + 1
Hi folks,
With lenny just around the corner, I think it's time to start thinking about
the future of the Debian alpha port for lenny+1 and beyond.
I've noticed some time before, early in the lenny cycle, that the alpha port
is no longer useful to me personally. It's still been fun to hack on fro
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