Re: Extending accessibility support in D-I for Lenny

2007-02-20 Thread Jurij Smakov
Hi Mario, On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 02:23:31PM +0100, Mario Lang wrote: I've recently recognized that we no longer have a speakup-enabled kernel, and I'm willing to work on the kernel team side to bring it back for Lenny. Great, I'd be very happy to see a volunteer working on this,

Re: Extending accessibility support in D-I for Lenny

2007-02-16 Thread Mario Lang
Jurij Smakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 12:14:04AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: On Thursday 15 February 2007 23:53, Gilles Casse wrote: Today, in principle using a Speakup enabled kernel + Speechd-Up + SpeechDispatcher + eSpeak or in user space, Yasr + emacspeak server +

Re: Extending accessibility support in D-I for Lenny

2007-02-16 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hi, Mario Lang, le Fri 16 Feb 2007 14:23:31 +0100, a écrit : Willy, are you still willing to help the speakup project to do the final cleaning up so that mainline submission could happen? I wouldn't say final: the way speakup access serial ports is to be completely rethought. The current way

Re: Extending accessibility support in D-I for Lenny

2007-02-15 Thread Mario Lang
Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: During the World Free Software Conference 3.0 (that bubulle, tbm and I attended in Extremadura last week) I spoke with Willie Walker who works for Sun on Accessibility and Speech. Willie is the lead man behind ORCA [1], which works with GTK and could

Re: Extending accessibility support in D-I for Lenny

2007-02-15 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 15 February 2007 22:41, Mario Lang wrote: For speech and braille output, I ask myself why a blind user would want to run the Graphical Installer instead of the text interface. What features does the graphical installer add (except eye-candy) that is not provided by the text

Re: Extending accessibility support in D-I for Lenny

2007-02-15 Thread Gilles Casse
Mario Lang wrote: A side project of this indeavor would be far more interesting for the masses, namely getting software speech synthesis into Debian Installer. Currently, people without braille display hardware can not really use d-i directly. It would be desireable for Lenny to get

Re: Extending accessibility support in D-I for Lenny

2007-02-15 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 15 February 2007 23:53, Gilles Casse wrote: Today, in principle using a Speakup enabled kernel + Speechd-Up + SpeechDispatcher + eSpeak or in user space, Yasr + emacspeak server + eSpeak, a text based dialog might be correctly spoken. However, we understand that the speakup patches

Re: Extending accessibility support in D-I for Lenny

2007-02-15 Thread Mario Lang
Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thursday 15 February 2007 22:41, Mario Lang wrote: For speech and braille output, I ask myself why a blind user would want to run the Graphical Installer instead of the text interface. What features does the graphical installer add (except eye-candy)

Re: Extending accessibility support in D-I for Lenny

2007-02-15 Thread Jurij Smakov
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 12:14:04AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: On Thursday 15 February 2007 23:53, Gilles Casse wrote: Today, in principle using a Speakup enabled kernel + Speechd-Up + SpeechDispatcher + eSpeak or in user space, Yasr + emacspeak server + eSpeak, a text based dialog might be

Re: Extending accessibility support in D-I for Lenny

2007-02-15 Thread Christian Perrier
Yes, but in text mode, you do not need Orca, there are existing soltuions. Orca, as I understand it, is a screen reader for graphical environments only. So the question stands, why would a blind user want to add the overhead that a graphical environment brings with it, if they can't even see

Re: Extending accessibility support in D-I for Lenny

2007-02-14 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hi, Frans Pop, le Wed 14 Feb 2007 04:10:31 +0100, a écrit : During the World Free Software Conference 3.0 (that bubulle, tbm and I attended in Extremadura last week) I spoke with Willie Walker who works for Sun on Accessibility and Speech. Willie is the lead man behind ORCA [1], which

Re: Extending accessibility support in D-I for Lenny

2007-02-14 Thread Attilio Fiandrotti
Samuel Thibault wrote: Hi, Frans Pop, le Wed 14 Feb 2007 04:10:31 +0100, a écrit : During the World Free Software Conference 3.0 (that bubulle, tbm and I attended in Extremadura last week) I spoke with Willie Walker who works for Sun on Accessibility and Speech. Willie is the lead man

Re: Extending accessibility support in D-I for Lenny

2007-02-14 Thread Samuel Thibault
Attilio Fiandrotti, le Wed 14 Feb 2007 13:43:15 +0100, a écrit : Samuel Thibault wrote: Frans Pop, le Wed 14 Feb 2007 04:10:31 +0100, a écrit : During the World Free Software Conference 3.0 (that bubulle, tbm and I attended in Extremadura last week) I spoke with Willie Walker who works

Re: Extending accessibility support in D-I for Lenny

2007-02-14 Thread Attilio Fiandrotti
Samuel Thibault wrote: Attilio Fiandrotti, le Wed 14 Feb 2007 13:43:15 +0100, a écrit : Samuel Thibault wrote: Frans Pop, le Wed 14 Feb 2007 04:10:31 +0100, a écrit : During the World Free Software Conference 3.0 (that bubulle, tbm and I attended in Extremadura last week) I spoke with

Re: Extending accessibility support in D-I for Lenny

2007-02-14 Thread Samuel Thibault
Attilio Fiandrotti, le Wed 14 Feb 2007 14:47:43 +0100, a écrit : I'd like also to point out that the graphical installer is pure GTK+, no GNOME components are present inthe instaler: would ORCA still apply in such an environment? Orca peeks information from GTK+ widgets via atk, gnome is

Re: Extending accessibility support in D-I for Lenny

2007-02-14 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 13:43, Attilio Fiandrotti wrote: Samuel Thibault wrote: One good thing of this would be to have speech accessibility without the need for having a speakup-patched kernel (though that would be useful too). Yes, that is one of the main ideas. I just installed

Re: Extending accessibility support in D-I for Lenny

2007-02-14 Thread Willie Walker
Hi All: It was great to talk with Frans and Wookey about the Debian installer. Thanks much for your time, guys! I'm also very warmed by the fact that you are interested in accessibility. :-) Willie is the lead man behind ORCA [1], which works with GTK and could thus possibly be integrated

Re: Extending accessibility support in D-I for Lenny

2007-02-14 Thread Davide Viti
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 03:31:59PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: We should still aim to keep the regular G-I as lean and mean as possible. We can gain a _lot_ (in the newt frontend too) by reducing the memory used for translations. I did some more research on the font tip and I think we can still

Extending accessibility support in D-I for Lenny

2007-02-13 Thread Frans Pop
During the World Free Software Conference 3.0 (that bubulle, tbm and I attended in Extremadura last week) I spoke with Willie Walker who works for Sun on Accessibility and Speech. Willie is the lead man behind ORCA [1], which works with GTK and could thus possibly be integrated in the