des for statistical use/ gives the
name we use in ISO 3166-1.
By adhering to UN sources the ISO 3166/MA stays politically neutral."
But, does UN really stay politically neutral?
Must debian-installer use "iso-codes" package when choosing country,
Even though it will hurt some people, lik
Martin, I try to resume the debate here :
-the "country" list in Debian Installer countrychooser is taken from
the iso-codes package.
-This package uses the official ISO-3166 list :
http://www.iso.org/iso/en/prods-services/iso3166ma/index.html. This
package is a work by Alastair McKinstry.
-Ala
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On Saturday 03 April 2004 22:28, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Will these users be installing using English or Traditional Chinese as
> the language?
The problem is that some users in that area will install in English,
especially for servers.
I really thin
On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 02:53:08AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> I really think that using the 'really' short names (that is just plain Taiwan
> instead of Taiwan, P.. of C..) would not be a bad compromise despite what the
> official so called short UN names say.
> After all, isn't Linux for a large
DÃ Domh, 2004-04-04 ag 02:53 +0200, scrÃobh Frans Pop:
> I really think that using the 'really' short names (that is just plain Taiwan
> instead of Taiwan, P.. of C..) would not be a bad compromise despite what the
> official so called short UN names say.
Agreed the "official short names" are u
Alastair McKinstry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Agreed the "official short names" are ugly ;
> (http://www.iso.org/iso/en/prods-services/iso3166ma/02iso-3166-code-lists/list-en1.html)
> eg. "LAO PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC", "LIBYAN ARAB JAMAHIRIYA" for
> those countries normally called "Laos"
Carlos Z.F. Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 05:48:43PM -0800, Anthony Johnson wrote:
>> No, some of you did, but more don't(especially people
>> in China mainland), AFAIK.
> As a chinese, I think most people in mainland won't mind using "Taiwan"
> here. Even in many governm
Tetralet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> We, the debian users in Taiwan, Hongkong and mainland China, have
> discussed about this for several days.
> You may visit http://moto.debian.org.tw/viewtopic.php?t=3192 for more
> details.
Yeah right, all I see is a bunch Taiwanese separatists. I'm sure
On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 06:24:02PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
> Carlos Z.F. Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 05:48:43PM -0800, Anthony Johnson wrote:
> >> No, some of you did, but more don't(especially people
> >> in China mainland), AFAIK.
> > As a chinese, I think most peo
Alastair McKinstry wrote:
> DÃ Domh, 2004-04-04 ag 02:53 +0200, scrÃobh Frans Pop:
>
>> I really think that using the 'really' short names (that is just plain
>> Taiwan instead of Taiwan, P.. of C..) would not be a bad compromise
>> despite what the official so called short UN names say.
And note
Herbert Xu wrote:
> Carlos Z.F. Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 05:48:43PM -0800, Anthony Johnson wrote:
>>> No, some of you did, but more don't(especially people
>>> in China mainland), AFAIK.
>> As a chinese, I think most people in mainland won't mind using "Taiwan"
>>
Herbert Xu wrote:
> Carlos Z.F. Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 05:48:43PM -0800, Anthony Johnson wrote:
>>> No, some of you did, but more don't(especially people
>>> in China mainland), AFAIK.
>> As a chinese, I think most people in mainland won't mind using "Taiwan"
>>
Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> So I wouldn't worry, as long as this is a list of *countries*, anyway,
> since there's no other *country* called Macedonia (given that Greece
Of course, as I said elsewhere, Taiwan can't be in a "country" list, so you
can't deal with both at once. ;-) Oh well.
> Well,
Christian Perrier wrote:
> -Alastair and I recently updated the list to the most recent official
> list of english and french names for "countries, regions are areas of
> specific geopolitical interest"...exact wording of ISO-3166 list
I love the phrase "of specific geopolitical interest". Yeech
On Sunday 04 April 2004 10:38, Alastair McKinstry wrote:
> Agreed the "official short names" are ugly ;
> (http://www.iso.org/iso/en/prods-services/iso3166ma/02iso-3166-code
>-lists/list-en1.html) eg. "LAO PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC",
> "LIBYAN ARAB JAMAHIRIYA" for those countries normally called
On Sunday 04 April 2004 16:06, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Well, it's only particularly crazy Greek governments which care;
> most Greeks accept that Macedonia (the country) is *not* making
> territorial claims on Greece Macedonia, and there are lots of other
> situations in the world where a country
Quoting Herbert Xu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > And, It is a gross disparagement to Taiwan people.
> > Thus some of us may refuse to use Debian anymore.
>
> Who cares? It'd be much better if you didn't use Debian at all.
I don't think that flaming Tetralet is a big progress in this
thread. Though we
On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 08:51:25PM +0300, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:
> On Sunday 04 April 2004 10:38, Alastair McKinstry wrote:
> > Agreed the "official short names" are ugly ;
> > (http://www.iso.org/iso/en/prods-services/iso3166ma/02iso-3166-code
> >-lists/list-en1.html) eg. "LAO PEOPLE'S DEM
Herbert Xu wrote:
> Tetralet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > People who install Debian via debian-installer will find that "Taiwan"
> > was replaced with "Taiwan, Province of China".
> > They may not detect immediately that this country code is based on ISO-3166,
> > But they will think that Debian
On 3.IV.2004 at 03:24 Tetralet wrote:
>
> If somebody goes through the trouble of creating a KDE website,then
> we will include it in this list. Furthermore, we will /not/
> override the site creator's preference for what to call their
> geographical area (e.g., calling the Taiwan site "Taiwan"
Joey Hess wrote:
> I suggest that anyone who has an idea on the matter, tell it to
> Christian and Alastair.
Well, I did suggest buying a National Geographic Atlas and using the names
on that.
I also suggested using the long names for *everywhere*.
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My original question is:
"Must debian-installer use "iso-codes" package when choosing country,
Even though it will hurt some people, like people who living in Taiwan?"
And I think your answer is "YES".
We, the debian users in Taiwan, Hongkong and mainland China,
On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 04:17:05AM +0800, Tetralet wrote:
> "Must debian-installer use "iso-codes" package when choosing country,
> Even though it will hurt some people, like people who living in Taiwan?"
> And I think your answer is "YES".
> We
DÃ Domh, 2004-04-04 ag 04:17 +0800, scrÃobh Tetralet:
> My original question is:
>
> "Must debian-installer use "iso-codes" package when choosing country,
> Even though it will hurt some people, like people who living in Taiwan?"
>
> And I think your
--- Tetralet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We, the debian users in Taiwan, Hongkong and
> mainland China, have
> discussed about this for several days.
> We all consent that to replace "Taiwan" with
> "Taiwan, Province of China"
> is not suitable.
No, some of you did, but more don't(especially pe
On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 02:28:49PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Will these users be installing using English or Traditional Chinese as
> the language?
Unfortunately, even you choose Traditional Chinese in languagechooser,
you will still get english country/area names in the next screen. You
can s
On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 05:48:43PM -0800, Anthony Johnson wrote:
> No, some of you did, but more don't(especially people
> in China mainland), AFAIK.
As a chinese, I think most people in mainland won't mind using "Taiwan"
here. Even in many governmental newspapers, they also use "Taiwan"
directly s
Quoting Carlos Z.F. Liu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Unfortunately, even you choose Traditional Chinese in languagechooser,
> you will still get english country/area names in the next screen. You
> can see translated names in full country list only. It's an old bug
> since countrychooser was change to c
Quoting Tetralet ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> You may visit http://moto.debian.org.tw/viewtopic.php?t=3192 for more
> details.
Provided you read Chinese..:-)
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Then use the translated iso-codes in countrychooser
--- "Carlos Z.F. Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 02:28:49PM -0600, Steve
> Langasek wrote:
> > Will these users be installing using English or
> Traditional Chinese as
> > the language?
> Unfortunately, even you choose Tr
--- "Carlos Z.F. Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 05:48:43PM -0800, Anthony
> Johnson wrote:
> > No, some of you did, but more don't(especially
> people
> > in China mainland), AFAIK.
> As a chinese, I think most people in mainland won't
> mind using "Taiwan"
I am also Chi
On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 11:27:05PM -0800, Anthony Johnson wrote:
>
> --- "Carlos Z.F. Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 05:48:43PM -0800, Anthony
> > Johnson wrote:
> > > No, some of you did, but more don't(especially
> > people
> > > in China mainland), AFAIK.
> > As a c
On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 08:27:38AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
> Hmmm, yes, that is indeed right. We never found a way to solve this as
> the short list is built on the fly.
>
> But, there is AFAIK no bug report about this.or if there is one,
> it is not assigned to countrychooser.
>
> So
--- "Carlos Z.F. Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, you should kick CCTV and communist party's ass,
> before you speak
> here. IIRC, They alway said Chen Shui-Bian as
You should go back to China mainland and ask for
people there. IIRC, you are NOT located in China
mainland, right?
BTW: Do not
Anthony Johnson wrote:
>
> --- "Carlos Z.F. Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 05:48:43PM -0800, Anthony
>> Johnson wrote:
>> > No, some of you did, but more don't(especially
>> people
>> > in China mainland), AFAIK.
>> As a chinese, I think most people in mainland won't
>
On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 05:57:54AM -0700, Anthony Johnson wrote:
> You should go back to China mainland and ask for
> people there. IIRC, you are NOT located in China
> mainland, right?
But, I still watch the same CCTV and read the same Chinese newspapers.
NO differences.
> BTW: Do not compare wind
> As long as this iso-3166 translation in zh_TW is incomplete,
> you will be presented with the English name list...
> which you don't like, when choosing zh_TW.
>
> So, go ahead and finish the zh_TW translation of iso_3166.
I'm very willing to do it.
But...
> For sure,
> people using English
Quoting Tetralet ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > As long as this iso-3166 translation in zh_TW is incomplete,
> > you will be presented with the English name list...
> > which you don't like, when choosing zh_TW.
> >
> > So, go ahead and finish the zh_TW translation of iso_3166.
>
> I'm very willing to
> Well, I'm unfortunately pretty sure that whatever solution we find to
> this, some people will still think this is not acceptable as long as
> the solution does not implement their own solution.
I'd think so.
Is this passible iso-codes package offer a "short name" for the country code?
I mean,
Quoting Denis Barbier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Please have a look at KDE (run kcontrol, select 'Regional & accessibility',
> then 'Country/Region & Language'), they use real short names: Macedonia
> and Taiwan in these particular cases.
> Their list looks much smarter than the UN one.
Well, "smarte
--- Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Indeed, I found yesterday that the iso-3166 list and
> FAQ gives incorrect reasons for giving TW this
controversial name.
it is correct.
>
> They mention that the name comes from the UN list of
> "country, regions
> and other areas for statistica
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