since several different kinds of accessibility can be provided, which kind
of accessibility is needed also needs sorting out. Apple in 10.4 Tiger
had things set up such that if the computer was completely hooked up
including a set of speakers a question as to which language a user needed
came up
I've been musing about a comment Samuel Thibault made a while back:
> On Mar 2, 2020, at 07:57, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>
> Rich Morin, le lun. 02 mars 2020 07:40:42 -0800, a ecrit:
>> ... More generally, is there a better way to provide accessibility at boot
>> time?
>
> The question is how
Hello,
Rich Morin, le jeu. 12 mars 2020 09:28:49 -0700, a ecrit:
> The idea of detecting the presence (or absence) of a blind-related device
> seems worth pursuing, even if there are some issues to be resolved.
The Debian Installer detects the presence of a braille device and then
enables
; From: Rich Morin
> To: debian-boot@lists.debian.org
> Cc: debian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: boot-time accessibility issues
> Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:29:21 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org
>
> The idea of detecti
The idea of detecting the presence (or absence) of a blind-related device seems
worth pursuing, even if there are some issues to be resolved.
For example, following Jude's notion of checking for a monitor, maybe Avahi and
SSH could be enabled whenever a monitor isn't found. For that matter,
gt; To: debian-boot@lists.debian.org
>> Cc: debian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org
>> Subject: Re: boot-time accessibility issues
>> Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 02:07:16 + (UTC)
>> Resent-From: debian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org
>>
>> Jude DaShiell said:
>
full circle, solutions zero.
On Thu, 5 Mar 2020, Rich Morin wrote:
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 23:54:14
> From: Rich Morin
> To: debian-boot@lists.debian.org
> Cc: debian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: boot-time accessibility issues
> Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 0
Jude DaShiell said:
> If dummy was used for monitor type, the screen reader could come up talking
> without any monitor attached. ...
I can think of a couple of issues with this approach. First, there are various
reasons for leaving a monitor off a system. For example, if a RasPi is being
> On Mar 5, 2020, at 03:30, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>
> One thing I am missing in your description is: how is the system getting
> installed in your use case? Is it installed by the blind user himself,
> or by somebody else?
Ideally, the system hardware and software could be installed and
On Thu, 2020-03-05 at 07:16 -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> If dummy was used for monitor type, the screen reader could come up
> talking without any monitor attached. Many linux distros including
> debian can get a monitor turned on and off during operation and don't
> let a screen reader know now
on boot to eliminate the firmware
complaint.
On Thu, 5 Mar 2020, Rich Morin wrote:
> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 03:53:30
> From: Rich Morin
> To: debian-boot@lists.debian.org
> Cc: debian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: boot-time accessibility issues
> Resent-Date: Thu, 5
Hello,
Rich Morin, le jeu. 05 mars 2020 02:53:30 -0600, a ecrit:
> I don't know all the ins and outs of preseeding, etc. So, I'll talk about
> use cases. I'm mostly looking for a way to make freshly installed systems
> (e.g., PC, RasPi) accessible in two situations:
One thing I am missing in
Thanks to everyone for considering these questions, offering suggestions, etc.
Here are some comments and clarifications.
I don't know all the ins and outs of preseeding, etc. So, I'll talk about use
cases. I'm mostly looking for a way to make freshly installed systems (e.g.,
PC, RasPi)
john doe, le lun. 02 mars 2020 19:33:22 +0100, a ecrit:
> Actually, creating a new cd iso that would have accessibility in mind
> could be one option.
>
> EG:
>
> debian-10.3-accessibility-netinst.iso
Yes, but I don't think it is a good option. For most impact, it's
better to make the standard
On 3/2/2020 5:35 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> john doe, le lun. 02 mars 2020 17:24:48 +0100, a ecrit:
>> On 3/2/2020 5:13 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>>> john doe, le lun. 02 mars 2020 17:02:49 +0100, a ecrit:
Prompting the user with a question asking if accessibility is desired
would go
On Mon, Mar 02, 2020 at 12:24:05PM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>Another possibility could be to have the installer check for a monitor
>and if no monitor is connected, turn on a screen reader.
That's not a valid assumption necessarily - what about on machines
where a serial console is the default
n-accessibil...@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: boot-time accessibility issues
> Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 16:26:05 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org
>
> On 3/2/2020 5:13 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > john doe, le lun. 02 mars 2020 17:02:49 +0100,
I know this should probably be discussed on the Official Raspberry
Foundation mailing list if such a thing exists, but a few thoughts:
1. At present, Raspbian enables ssh by creating a blank file called
ssh in the boot partition and then booting the card. Could a similar
method be used for
Mewtamer, le lun. 02 mars 2020 16:36:02 +, a ecrit:
> 1. At present, Raspbian enables ssh by creating a blank file called
> ssh in the boot partition and then booting the card. Could a similar
> method be used for enabling accessibility?
Probably. The details are probably to be seen with them
rg
> Subject: Re: boot-time accessibility issues
> Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 15:57:33 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org
>
> Rich Morin, le lun. 02 mars 2020 07:40:42 -0800, a ecrit:
> > In another forum, I've been told that Orca
john doe, le lun. 02 mars 2020 17:24:48 +0100, a ecrit:
> On 3/2/2020 5:13 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > john doe, le lun. 02 mars 2020 17:02:49 +0100, a ecrit:
> >> Prompting the user with a question asking if accessibility is desired
> >> would go a lon way.
> >
> > But we don't necessarily
On 3/2/2020 5:13 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> john doe, le lun. 02 mars 2020 17:02:49 +0100, a ecrit:
>> Prompting the user with a question asking if accessibility is desired
>> would go a lon way.
>
> But we don't necessarily want to ask the question on all Debian systems
> at all boot.
>
> I'm
john doe, le lun. 02 mars 2020 17:02:49 +0100, a ecrit:
> Prompting the user with a question asking if accessibility is desired
> would go a lon way.
But we don't necessarily want to ask the question on all Debian systems
at all boot.
I'm not saying that there is no solution. I'm saying that
Jude DaShiell, le lun. 02 mars 2020 11:03:28 -0500, a ecrit:
> Apple solved this problem back in 2006.
On the desktop, yes. Here we are talking about an embedded device.
> That was when Mac OS Tiger 10.4
> became available. What Apple did was to put a message asking for
> language to be used on
On 3/2/2020 4:57 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Rich Morin, le lun. 02 mars 2020 07:40:42 -0800, a ecrit:
>> In another forum, I've been told that Orca is a rather heavyweight solution
>> for providing boot-time speech generation. It was recommended that I
>> consider Fenrir, instead.
>
> Fenrir
Rich Morin, le lun. 02 mars 2020 07:40:42 -0800, a ecrit:
> In another forum, I've been told that Orca is a rather heavyweight solution
> for providing boot-time speech generation. It was recommended that I
> consider Fenrir, instead.
Fenrir is also quite heavy-weight, since it brings python.
In another forum, I've been told that Orca is a rather heavyweight solution for
providing boot-time speech generation. It was recommended that I consider
Fenrir, instead. So, recasting my question, what would it take to make these
changes to the default Debian installation?
- include Fenrir,
Hello,
Cyril Brulebois, le dim. 01 mars 2020 18:15:58 +0100, a ecrit:
> Rich Morin (2020-02-29):
> > As I understand it, Orca is generally installed as a dependency of a
> > desktop. This makes me wonder whether a server system would (or
> > should) have it. This isn't an idle question: Ubuntu
Hi Rich,
Rich Morin (2020-02-29):
> At Samuel Thibault's suggestion, I'm bringing some boot-time
> accessibility issues to this list. Please excuse any naivete on my
> part; I'm not an expert on many of these topics.
Fine questions, don't worry.
And adding -accessibility instead of ju
At Samuel Thibault's suggestion, I'm bringing some boot-time accessibility
issues to this list. Please excuse any naivete on my part; I'm not an expert
on many of these topics.
As I understand it, Orca is generally installed as a dependency of a desktop.
This makes me wonder whether a server
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